http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/2010/07/speculations-on-bartitsu-kickboxing/ - a new article on the ambiguous status of boxing and kicking at the Bartitsu Club circa 1900.

great article thanks.

Its interesting how Bartitsu philosophy is so similar at points to that of mma, that fights start at striking range and will often end with grappling.

It is also shocking that this appears to be the only 'self defence' style that is remotely realistic.

Great article also.

It comes over that E.B. Wright was more interested in LPR Boxing (with the kicks) than in Queensburry rules Boxing + La Boxe Française-Savate for self-defense purpose.

Or am I making a wrong conclusion after reading the article?

great article thanks.

Its interesting how Bartitsu philosophy is so similar at points to that of mma, that fights start at striking range and will often end with grappling.

It is also shocking that this appears to be the only 'self defence' style that is remotely realistic.

I wouldn't say that, really - Barton-Wright was ahead of his time in several respects, but there are plenty of similar self defense-oriented styles around today.

Great article also.

It comes over that E.B. Wright was more interested in LPR Boxing (with the kicks) than in Queensburry rules Boxing + La Boxe Française-Savate for self-defense purpose.

Or am I making a wrong conclusion after reading the article?

It would be fair to say that if he valued boxing but had modified it towards self defense, and given that LPR techniques were geared towards bare-knuckle fighting anyway, it would have been logical for his modifications to go in that direction. However, as the article points out, we just don't have enough concrete info. to be sure.

The second volume of the Bartitsu Compendium includes almost the whole text of R.G. Allanson-Winn's book "Boxing" as a resource for modern Bartitsu training, partly because Allanson-Winn's style was "scientific" Queensberry Rules + some LPR throws and trips. A-W was into self defense as well as competition. Today, most people who are into Bartitsu draw their boxing from a range of circa 1900 sources and some extend back to the LPR techniques; it's all good stuff.

I wouldn't say that, really - Barton-Wright was ahead of his time in several respects, but there are plenty of similar self defense-oriented styles around today.

of course. however the equivalents (krav etc) aren't consistent in their use of sparring, making them less likely to actually work.