I don't think Overeem is the greatest ever, but in MMA you get old overnight. I'll go out on a limb and say Overeem is the one to beat Fedor. Fedor can't stand with him, and he'll lose if he tries. If he loses, that will be how it goes down.

In the future people will show Fedor the same respect they show Vovchanchyn. Zero. No one remembers that Igor was top dog for 5 years running, and no one will remember that Fedor was king either. All it takes is an embarassing slide and everyone forgets. Mirko, Ken, Kerr, the list goes on and on.

Maybe that means it's better for Fedor to retire while he's ahead? Same for Pac-Man or Mayweather?

I watched the fights tonight too... if he fights the way he did tonight he will not defeat Fedor.

That all depends on how Fedor fights, doesn't it. Overeem is not the one over due for the "He just looked OLD" treatment.

I don't think Randleman or Vovchanchyn showed anything special when they exposed Mirko and Kerr either. It's about the other guy going "overripe" as it were. When fruits go bad, they go bad in a hurry. Just ask Mark Kerr.

Not that I expected a different outcome, the thread title was kind of a spoiler.

I like to hope that Fedor is smart enough to have a game plan than just standing and trading with Overeem

Rogers was clearly intimidated. Fedor shows no fear in the face of Godzilla. Roidman may still win, but he'll have a hell of a hard time doing it and is fairly certain to be outclassed when it hits the ground.

I think Overeem may beat Fedor. He's huge, strong, can stop the takedown and his striking game has improved immensely. Not to mention, his striking from the clinch is brutal, and Fedor needs the clinch for his best takedowns.

Fedor won't be forgotten quite as completely as Igor though. The guy's at least fought on cable TV and had a small push from CBS as the world's best. He will, however, be overshadowed by whoever wins the Brocklesnar/Carwin matchup should either of them defend the belt more than once.

I watched the fights tonight too... if he fights the way he did tonight he will not defeat Fedor.That depends if Fedor fights the way he did against Rogers then my money would be on Overeem.

I'm suprised there were people on here predicting a Rogers win, Overeem is a World Class striker and Rogers is not exactly known for his quality ground game.

If Fedor beats Overeem it'll be via submission.

That depends if Fedor fights the way he did against Rogers then my money would be on Overeem.

Truth. The most rational way of projecting a trend in to the future is based on the most recent data available. The Reason I am picking Overeem to do it is that I don't see Werdum beating Fedor on a good day, and I don't fully expect that fight to happen.



I'm suprised there were people on here predicting a Rogers win, Overeem is a World Class striker and Rogers is not exactly known for his quality ground game.
This is the best evidence for a Fedor slide on the horizon. The hypothesis that Fedor hasn't lost a step is incompatible with the idea that Rogers is not that good (he was taking it to Fedor). Peolple calling Rogers were (IMO) really voting for the idea that Fedor is still Fedor. Last night's fight downgraded Rogers' stock, and makes the beginning of a Fedor slide seem more likely.



If Fedor beats Overeem it'll be via submission.
Or decision. If I were AO's coach I would make him watch Fedor/Cro COp every night at bed time, and remind him that it has been 5 years since that fight.

Fedor is probably my favorite fighter of all time. That being said, I agree. Every time I watch Fedor fight, I get nervous. After the Rogers fight, I was praying that he would retire. That way he can go out on top. After watching the fight last night, I can't imagine how Fedor can bet Overeem. His striking is solid to the point that Fedor will not be able to counter punch with Overeem. The only hope will be to get a takedown and submit.

I don't think Overeem will be able to stuff the takedown against Fedor. But he should be able to keep from getting submitted. Fedor's GandP is good, but Overeem should be able to counter and at least survive the GandP off his back.

I hope Fedor retires!

Serious question: When was Fedor outstriked the last time?

Thanks for the spoiler in the thread title, jackass!

Also, Overeem is an overrated roid monkey that gasses in less than 3 minutes unless he finishes the fight. He has been KOd 6 times in MMA and 3 times in K-1, just because he got huge he is not unbeatable, watch what Badr Hari did to him recently. Fedor would submit Overeem after the big man gasses late in the first round.

Comparing Fedor with Vovchanchin is beyond retarded. Igor was always a rather one dimensional fighter, with most of his wins coming in Vale Tudo fights against nobodies. Fedor has been undefeated since he entered the game, beaten down both champs of the past and champs of the modern era. He is good in every position, ridiculously durable and a master tactician. He always finds a way to win.

Thanks for the spoiler in the thread title, jackass!

Also, Overeem is an overrated roid monkey that gasses in less than 3 minutes unless he finishes the fight. He has been KOd 6 times in MMA and 3 times in K-1, just because he got huge he is not unbeatable, watch what Badr Hari did to him recently. Fedor would submit Overeem after the big man gasses late in the first round.

Comparing Fedor with Vovchanchin is beyond retarded. Igor was always a rather one dimensional fighter, with most of his wins coming in Vale Tudo fights against nobodies. Fedor has been undefeated since he entered the game, beaten down both champs of the past and champs of the modern era. He is good in every position, ridiculously durable and a master tactician. He always finds a way to win.
OK, I agree that some of the thread content could have gone inside "spoiler" boxes, but the title is not spoilerific. Unless you go out of your way to check, you can't even tell if it was posted after the fight or not.

If you think the comparison between Igor and Fedor is "retarded" then IMO you don't know a thing about the sport. They represent the same striking tradition, and one or the other has occupied the top slot in the HW division since 1995 (Minus Nog's brief reign). Igor was the first fighter to expose BJJ in NHB, he won 5(!) eight man tourneys, and he beat Mark Kerr when he was considered unstoppable.

From 11/25/95 to 5/1/2000 he was 29-0-2 in 31 fights. In his entire 60 fight career he knocked out 26 fighters and was dropped himself only a single time. As for his opposition, he fought the best of his era, as Fedor was known to do in say 2005.

He was the undisputed Alpha dog of MMA, until all of a sudden... he wasn't.

You proved my point, thanks.

Well, as I have said before, thats what makes a horserace, a difference of opinion.

OK, I agree that some of the thread content could have gone inside "spoiler" boxes, but the title is not spoilerific. Unless you go out of your way to check, you can't even tell if it was posted after the fight or not.

If you think the comparison between Igor and Fedor is "retarded" then IMO you don't know a thing about the sport. They represent the same striking tradition, and one or the other has occupied the top slot in the HW division since 1995 (Minus Nog's brief reign). Igor was the first fighter to expose BJJ in NHB, he won 5(!) eight man tourneys, and he beat Mark Kerr when he was considered unstoppable. He was the undisputed Alpha dog of MMA, until all of a sudden... he wasn't.

You proved my point, thanks.
The last time I was on this forum this thread wasnt here, now it is, and the fight was last night...I would have to be pretty damn dumb to not see this is a spoiler.

And I dont think you can compare Igor with Fedor because Igor dominated when the sport was in its dark ages, when most fighters were one dimensional and not close to being the athletes they are today and the were like 5 fans of it worldwide. You are comparing apples with oranges here.

And I dont think you can compare Igor with Fedor because Igor dominated when the sport was in its dark ages, when most fighters were one dimensional and not close to being the athletes they are today and the were like 5 fans of it worldwide.

Agreed. Fedor has fought a lot of cans too though. Still the greatest. I can see him beating Overeem with a sub obviously, but you can't forget that hail Mary right hand. If Overeem does beat him though I'm blaming you for jinxing this War Wheel!