I saw this while I was looking for something else tonight. I was talking about this last year and everyone said I meant the half Boston crab. Instead of writing pages of text to explain what I really meant, it would have been nice to just point to this picture. Anyway, here is the giff so others can use it in their arguments. :P

http://www.catchwrestle.com/stepovercrossface.gif

http://www.catchwrestle.com/stepovercrossface.gif

You can opt for the RNC at the end after (with right arm) or instead of (with left arm) the cross-face. If you can't get it then pound on their spine from the rear mount or whatever.

That's what we call a reverse boston crab....close enough. That one doesn't work too well in my experiance.

You can throw this in if you manage to drag the guy back or stand up. You are right though, it's not as easy as he is making it look here. The guy in guard is not resisting too much. It's hard to pry a guy's leg up like that .. if he has loosened up a little you can do it .. like maybe after pounding his nuts once or twice. :P

There is also a way to do this with just your arms. It's not easy to do. Like if you can hook one arm across .. like hook your left arm across over his right leg and jam your right arm under it (even just that one step is pretty hard to do) and clasp them together. Then try to turn to your left, turning his leg and wedging one arm in there under the knee while you press his shin down with your arms and chest. Then climb up his body for rear mount. This is really hard to do though. Especially since the guy can just reach up and grab your arms to stop you. It's just another option that may work once in a while. Not the best. Anyway, its the first picture like this I have found so I thought I'd put it here and see what people had to say about it.

Do you think most people's legs are just too strong for this?

To Mr. on the bottom : Extend right arm.

He can also just slide over to the right and push his hips back to the left. If he slaps both arms to the mat maybe you can finally get that can opener he was fighting off though. Who knows.

When I am in someone's guard, I find it almost impossible to move that freely. There is just too much strength in the other person's legs for me to just brush them aside like that without some sort of guard passing technique.

I meant the guy in guard could turn his hips and slide over to the right to keep the guy on top from being able to put his leg over.

The guy on top isn't going to be able to swing the guy in guard around like a rag doll. I know that. There are no easy ways out of the guard or cheap trick escapes. It is always going to take hard work. I wasn't trying to say, "Hah! Look the guard is weak and stupid!" No way. I think it is a fortress. I was just saying, these are some ways to try to bust out of it that you don't see every day. A guy's guard isn't always tight. His legs aren't always clenched. This stuff isn't going to work against a solid guard. What will though? Prayer?

Mr. Mc fu, if you are nice I will show you my superman guard past. 90% gaurateed to work.

Do you think you could post it at some point? I could always use help working out of the guard.

ONLY if you're nice....

That's the weakest guard I think I've ever seen...flat on his back?

btw, Omega, I worked that rolling knee-bar that you showed me...I can't do it, too big for all my dojo mates, but one of my buddies is small enough to do it...he likes it and thanks you.

Meanwhile, I managed to nail someone with that closed-guard lock...*GRIN*

Most of my grappling experience is not from BJJ. I didn't get that interested in BJJ until here recently. I've messed around with it and practiced with a few BJJ guys but I am just now starting to train as a serious student. I'm not trying to come off as an expert. I would wager that most everyone who commented knows more about BJJ than I do. I'm just an observer. I think this move has a place in grappling though. It is a pretty standard leg lock. I've actually used this move to escape from the guard against actual real people who are not on the Internet. I know it can work sometimes. I've also tried it and failed against an assistant instructor. Also, I just didn't think it would work and I didn't want to risk looking stupid or aggressive on my first day in class so I let go. Heh.

I don't think BJJ is super awesome and invincible but I think it is one of the best grappling systems. I also think grappling in general is essential. I've always considered myself more of a striker/kicker person but I've really tried to make an effort to educate myself in grappling since high school. I hope that I don't sound like I'm trying to act like something I am not. If it makes you guys feel better I'll remove BJJ from my list of styles until I have more experience in it.

To me, the guard always seemed like it should be tight like Royce does it. tight like Rickson did it. You see guys constantly keeping it loose in NHB now. I've watched guys hang off their opponent like a monkey. I've seen them resting in the exact lazy-ass position the guy on the bottom is in this picture and I've seen them do it right. I've also seen people trying to hold guard on someone while he is squatting up on his feet pounding their face and I think this move could work right then. What I am saying is, I have seen pro fighters do the guard as weak as this guy is doing it. Obviously, it happens.

I think it happens a lot more in NHB situations where striking is legal. When the guy in guard has his hands up defending from strikes and grabbing at your arms instead of "posting", he looks more like this guy than the guys in your class. He also doesn't have a deathgrip on you with his legs because he is dodging strikes. I've done free sparring, I've even sparred with BJJ people. It is much more difficult to grapple with them in class than it is to fight them. I guess that is because when you limit me to BJJ, I don't know that much. I've also beaten guys who were better wrestlers than I am in free sparring. Punching changes things as you NHB people should know. This technique is more for that situation than for class.

You fight like you train though. I don't see a BJJ guy using anything like this even if he had a perfect opportunity. I know I am not the BJJ expert, go ahead and make fun of me like Wastrel. Hoo haa, big deal. I'm not the master. I don't care. I'd still be talking if you weren't here. I come here because I like martial arts, not because I like you. I think this move is okay. If you don't like it, don't use it. Whatever.

I think most everyone is cool though. Anyway, I am taking BJJ off my style list until I have more experience in it. .. I'm taking "your mom" off too.

Tight closed guard=cool leg lock I showed Crimson Tiger.


As for you Crimson Tiger......excellllllent!

(evil eye brow raised with **** eating grin)

man, i kind of went off for no reason .. weird .. i need a nap

Originally posted by 9chambers
To me, the guard always seemed like it should be tight like Royce does it. tight like Rickson did it. You see guys constantly keeping it loose in NHB now. I've watched guys hang off their opponent like a monkey. I've seen them resting in the exact lazy-ass position the guy on the bottom is in this picture and I've seen them do it right. I've also seen people trying to hold guard on someone while he is squatting up on his feet pounding their face and I think this move could work right then. What I am saying is, I have seen pro fighters do the guard as weak as this guy is doing it. Obviously, it happens.



Most ridiculous paragraph EVA!!!

:P

I was just saying that the guard is not always Alcatraz. Yea, the one in the picture is weak but it's just for demonstration purposes. Anyway, it's not my picture. I just like leg locks.