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Rock Ape
2/23/2010 12:36am,
Discussion thread for Is Aikido a Martial Art (http://www.bullshido.org/Is Aikido a Martial Art). If you would like to add a comment, click the Post Reply button

Lindz
2/23/2010 1:24am,
Does this really deserve an article?

Rock Ape
2/23/2010 1:32am,
Because ?

Lindz
2/23/2010 1:36am,
Well if we do one for aikido are we gonna do one for every art that might have been alive once but is now a neutered shell?

Rock Ape
2/23/2010 1:41am,
So you haven't read the article, or if you had you've missed it's point entirely.

Mtripp
2/23/2010 1:49am,
In truth, NONE of them are martial arts. There was never a war when the Karate Army charged the hill of Aikido masters, and fought a battle.

In very limited areas, some of them have been used in battle; but nothing like is implied.

Its why martial sports kick martial art butt all day long.....

Lindz
2/23/2010 1:50am,
There's an article? Oops. Carry on.

Rock Ape
2/23/2010 9:07am,
There's an article? Oops. Carry on.Yeah, STFU

henshinx
2/23/2010 1:11pm,
Very nice read I enjoyed that a great deal. Thank you for taking the time to write that, I have never really understood Aikido or what the hell good Aikido is supposed to look like. I was actually kind of shocked to hear that there was ever such a thing as "hardcore" Aikido, hopefully more people read that and change their mind about all Aikido being gay.

Rock Ape
2/23/2010 2:02pm,
Read this blog.

This isn't bullshit.

http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

Archetype
2/23/2010 3:24pm,
So according to the articles, Aikido during the 50's and before was a legit and hardcore martial art until it got WAY too into the hippie movement of the 60's?

http://www.uvm.edu/~jmorris/hippie.jpeg
Pictured: Aikido circa 1964



All jokes aside, wouldn't it be possible to bring back "traditional" Aikido?

Edit: Realized this isn't YMAS (spend too much time in there), I will refrain from making anymore funny, I promise.

Rock Ape
2/23/2010 4:29pm,
Yeah I suggest you do.

Mtripp
2/23/2010 6:43pm,
You might want to look into the Feminist movements involvement as well.

I will say I disagree with the context as I think O Sensei was not trying to create an effective practical martial combat system. He was going after something else.

This is not to say Aikido could not be used for that; but its like saying baseball is a martial art because you can hit someone with the bat. Well, you could, but it really isn't part of the game.

DCS
2/23/2010 7:33pm,
You might want to look into the Feminist movements involvement as well.
Care to ellaborate?


I will say I disagree with the context as I think O Sensei was not trying to create an effective practical martial combat system. He was going after something else.

Debatable. O Sensei's approach to martial arts was a form of honji suijaku. From that point of view, Aikido has to be an effective and practical martial art to fullfill its spiritual/religious purposes.

BTW, is this a thread about Ellis sensei article or about Aikido is th3 gh3y? If the later, YMAS please asap.

Mtripp
2/23/2010 7:55pm,
<<<Care to ellaborate?>>>

No, do your own homework.

<<<Debatable. O Sensei's approach to martial arts was a form of honji suijaku. From that point of view, Aikido has to be an effective and practical martial art to fullfill its spiritual/religious purposes.>>>

If that were 100% correct, Aikido would be an effective and practical martial art. Hard to be objective and agree that is true. However to even go down this path we would have to agree on terms like "effective" and "practical," even "martial art." In as much as we do not; I will let it lie here. :hijackp:

Rids
3/25/2010 7:02am,
I particularly liked how o-sensei could put a much larger judo champion on the floor with no kuzushi (they were both seated). And the guy who carries a knife around to give to people who attack him. And all the other bullshit stories.

Seriously, the biggest argument on behalf of aikido seems to be "X has dan grades in judo/karate/deadly AND he does aikido so it must be good". If you hold dan grades in legitimate grappling then you can afford to do something more artsy on the side.
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