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Rock Ape
2/22/2010 1:28pm,
Discussion thread for LARPING (http://www.bullshido.org/LARPING). If you would like to add a comment, click the Post Reply button

Rock Ape
2/22/2010 1:29pm,
Please note that this article has not yet been written and is open for contribution

pauli
2/22/2010 1:45pm,
i propose a move to LARPing. unless we're discussing the meme, rather than the phenomenon.

Rock Ape
2/22/2010 1:54pm,
Ok fair one I'll make the change. Would you like to contribte tonthe article? If so you can post what you'd like to include here and I'll update the article or, if your familiure with editing wiki then go ahead and add the content directly.

You will be accredited accordingly

Dave

pauli
2/22/2010 2:00pm,
i'm quite familiar with editing wikis, but i'm much more of a wikignome than a content generating editor. also, having not looked at .org for a year or two, i don't know what the conventions are regarding voice, pov, and citations. do we have a manual of style?

...or maybe a better place to discuss editing the wiki? at the moment, i feel like we're sorta... larping. >_<

Rock Ape
2/22/2010 7:29pm,
Pauli,

if you'd like to contribute and or write the article, you can simply post it here in this thread first and I'll copy and format accordingly. Just let me know so we don't duplicate work.

Dave

wagamichi
2/27/2010 3:14am,
here is a start.



Larping is an acronym for “Live action roll playing”. It is used on bullshido.net and its forums to describe a training trait that is found in many Dojo, Kwons, and Self-defense schools. It is identifiable by pre-arranged self defense techniques, and situational scenarios that students might find themselves in. It is also indicative to styles and schools that practice “fighting” without actually hitting each other with any realistic force.

While many styles have “Waza” or “Kata” such as Judo or Karate, this in and of its self does not qualify the student as a “Larper” or live action roll player. If the training also incorporates realistic resistance and contact that is un-scripted, then these drills are seen as supplemental training.

Real Larping hides its head in schools that only do Waza or Kata, and then state that they are trained and skilled fighters.

True Larping also seems to have the most arrogant and troublesome students, they will state how effective they are and how high their rank is yet they will not allow anyone to test these claims with physical trials. They usually will only point-fight (with limited rules) or they will avoid the issue altogether.

Possibly the most irritating form of Larping comes not from their training methods, but rather the quasi-fantasy land they create for themselves in their local martial arts community. At tournaments, seminars, and other such gatherings, the upper echelons of Larping can be seen pretending to be “pseudo-Asian” (referring to pop culture beliefs on how karate masters should look and behave) and somehow living in feudal Japan. They will expect lower belt ranks to scrape and bow as if they were their Noble lords. The lower ranks are happy to grovel because it all plays into the “Matrix” world they have created for themselves.

It is generally agreed upon by most Bullshido members that Larping is not a desirable trait to engage in or seek out. It is believed that contact and real time resistance with un-choreographed situational “free-form” fighting is a better method of training. As far as the social larping is concerned, it would be better to be respected for accomplishment and skill rather than “time served” or political affiliations.

Conde Koma
2/27/2010 6:21pm,
small typo: it's "ROLE" playing, not "ROLL" playing.

Otherwise, cool!

Larus marinus
2/27/2010 8:00pm,
Should there also be a mention of the guys who run around in the woods playing stealth ninja shinobis, or run around in the woods in paramilitary uniforms doing gun katas and goofing around with edged weapons, believing that they're actually practising something useful, in terms of self-defence skills?

wagamichi
2/27/2010 8:34pm,
Should there also be a mention of the guys who run around in the woods playing stealth ninja shinobis, or run around in the woods in paramilitary uniforms doing gun katas and goofing around with edged weapons, believing that they're actually practising something useful, in terms of self-defence skills?

Yes there should...i work on it

jspeedy
2/27/2010 9:17pm,
If this article is intended to be a complete definition of Larping perhaps we should include where the term originated from. Before bullshido or the movie "Role Models" I was unaware that people actually ran around with makeshift costumes playing kights and wizards.

The

jspeedy
2/27/2010 9:29pm,
If this article is intended to be a complete definition of Larping perhaps we should include the fact that:

LARPing originated as a game played by mainly prepubescent nerds who were well aware of the fact that it was a game and nothing more. The problem originates with martial artists who essentially do the same thing as the LARP game players but consider themselves serious fighters.

I know Conde kind of touched on what I just said but personally I was unaware that LARPING was an acutal game played by actual nerds before I discovered bullshido. I'd include the point that some people are well aware that they are playing a game and don't really believe that they are true warriors. Maybe site the "lightning bolt" clip as an example.

YouTube- Lightning Bolt! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw)

Rock Ape
2/28/2010 2:30pm,
Great info and contribution, I'll write this up and give credit, keep it coming if you feel there's more.

Hiro Protagonist
3/01/2010 8:21am,
As a *real* LARPer, I can tell you that the impression you get from the web is not quite accurate.

Most *open* LARPs are like costume fairs (Engrish?), and its not uncommon that people take their children with them to show them how people lived in "Ye Olden Times".

*Closed* LARPs is people who give stuff for the stereotypes that then make stuff for movies like this:

YouTube- The Wild Hunt Trailer.mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENre45f13c)

Sri Hanuman
3/01/2010 10:01am,
Most *open* LARPs are like costume fairs (Engrish?), and its not uncommon that people take their children with them to show them how people lived in "Ye Olden Times".

Don't forget the scantly clad chubby girls in chain mail.
Bristol Renissance Fare, thou art naughty.

http://www.renfair.com/bristol/

thorthe power
3/01/2010 12:04pm,
True Larping also seems to have the most arrogant and troublesome students, they will state how effective they are and how high their rank is yet they will not allow anyone to test these claims with physical trials. They usually will only point-fight (with limited rules) or they will avoid the issue altogether.





Sounds good changed one thing that cought my eye:

True Larping also seems to have the most arrogant and troublesome students, they will state how effective they are and how high their rank is yet they will not allow anyone to test these claims with physical trials. They usually will only point-fight (with many rules) or they will avoid the issue altogether.