And THAT my friends, is what's wrong with the scriptural record. Also, I don't know about Hollywood actors interpreting Catholic doctrine against the will of the Vatican...

So are Gentiles....woopie! The nation of Jews did not believe Jesus was the ACTUALY son of God right away (still not all of them do), and it was the Gentiles who began teaching his ways.

Who was crucified and died for our sins? A Jew.

What's your point Ghost? If you are saying that the Jews killed Jesus, you are missing the real point. It is that kind of ignorance that causes some to fear (wrongly) that this movie is anti-semitic.

Ghost,
If Jesus had Jewish followers, how can it be true that "the Jews" killed Jesus?

Originally posted by Leodom
Who was crucified and died for our sins? A Jew.

What's your point Ghost? If you are saying that the Jews killed Jesus, you are missing the real point. It is that kind of ignorance that causes some to fear (wrongly) that this movie is anti-semitic.

I'm not saying 'The JEWS KILLED JESUS!', I honestly don't blame anyone since it was prophecied a couple hundred years before it happened that he would die by crucifixion...but I'm saying you can't say the jews were weeping tears and asking the Romans to get him down. It was no one's fault, but I'm tired of people playing the 'Jews are the victims' card. IT's as bad as when they use it for the US.

Ghost,
You are NOT thinking this through.

Nice argument there buddy Wastrel.

People use the excuse: "If you aren't part of the solution, your part of the problem."

Now I'm using it in a much lighter context.

Ghost,
There were Gentiles and Jews among his followers, and Gentiles and Jews among his opponents. So, why don't we say the Gentiles (Romans) killed Jesus? Think...

Think...

This is definetely one of the weaker arguments I've ever seen you fight. Not only am I not going to REITERATE what I said, but I'm going to give you instructions since you like to instruct me to 'think'.

Wastrel: READ.....

Excerpt from Nostra Aetate from the Second Vatican Council:


"[The Church] also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people."

"True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today."

God Wastrel....so you've done nothing but reiterate partly my point. Congratulations.

Ghost,

You disputed this statement:


Anyone who blames the Jews for Jesus' death is an ignorant fool and knows nothing of Jesus. This is an interesting forum, alot of good stuff being said, good call ronin69.

With these claims:



Who turned over Jesus to the Romans? A jew.

What nation chose a criminal to be released over jesus? The jews.

Who watched and did nothing while the Romans hung Jesus? The jews.

Anything I missed there?

Now tell me...were the Apostles Gentiles?

I would say that you missed the fact that the Apostles as well as most of Christ's followers were Jews.

I'm not reiterating your "point" at all. In fact, you have passively absorbed thousands of years of anti-Semitic propaganda. And now you are trying to reconcile it with some learned value of "sensitivity".

*shakes his head* NO! The Apostles were Gentiles....and I basically said later on in my posts that the Jews weren't part of the problem, nor were they part of the help. So do we simply call them a neutral force?

Would you call the UN a neutral force if they sat back and let the Russian Forces take over Europe?

Who told you the Apostles were Gentiles? Because the Catholic Church, for one, disagrees with you.