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MrMcFu
2/13/2004 12:31am,
Cool, I really like this technique- we practice it reguarly at my school. Is there a name for this, like "sitting triangle" or something?

Shuma-Gorath
2/13/2004 12:32am,
Totally fucking awesome. My, won't they be surprised at the next Judo practice!

FingerorMoon?
2/13/2004 12:35am,
Omega -
in pic 4, the guy is trying to pull on the crook of the elbow to break the guys hold.

Can't you break it a lot easier by using the bony part of you forearm (near your wrist)
against that same part of his forearm ?

MrMcFu
2/13/2004 12:35am,
I think this move is illegal in sport Judo, but I would have to ask Greese.

TaeBo_Master
2/13/2004 12:36am,
Excellent! That foils my armbars sometimes.... and I love doing the triangle, so this is perfect.

Strong Machine
2/13/2004 1:08am,
Ive only seen this variation where you get your right foot over and wait for them to turn in allowing the triangle.Never saw a guy scoot back over for it.
I love the triangle from mount.But not like this.I'll try it when my injuries heel.
Frankly I havent had a problem with getting a mans arm even if he grabs tight in years.I just reverse it into a bicep crush.I get my wrist deep into the inside of the elbow, put my palm on my other bicep.My free hand palms the back of his forearm and I do a deadlift like motion.Havent failed yet that I recall.I think it's my boney forearm/wrists.Same as with the guillotine.Sometimes they come in handy.I'd still rather have big manly ones though.

9chambers
2/13/2004 1:33am,
cool

My only question is, what would you do if right about on picture 7 he wrapped your right knee tight and bucked/bridged against the back of the thigh while rolling to his left - to try to send you up over his head so he could slip out?

He might also try turning over and working the arm you were trying to bar over the leg to use it for a pig roll/wizzer. (using his leg instead of his arm) The bad thing is, this could result in him giving you the arm bar back or maybe even opening himself up for the RNC.

These are my ideas for a counter. Go ahead and shoot them down. I can take it. :p

Ronin
2/13/2004 7:47am,
Nice dude, haven't seen that one in a while :)

Beatdown Richie
2/13/2004 9:40am,
> I think this move is illegal in sport Judo, but I would have to ask Greese.
My judo instructor showed us a different variation of the sitting triangle, and never mentioned anything about it being illegal (except for the usual caveat, you cannot pull down - or up, in this case - on the head. Then again, if you have trouble completing the choke, you can lean forward and pull a straight armbar over your stomach.)

Very nice move, by the way. I'll definitely try it.

Crapfestival
2/13/2004 9:43am,
Very good move... thats the move I got caught Chris with at the McThrowdown, except I reached behind his head and cinched it without getting on top.

fragbot
2/13/2004 10:43am,
Nice combination!

another counter to the guy holding his wrist at the crux of a juji, pump his wrist right back to his body and then pull it back and away.

Yikes, easier shown than explained. Anyhow, it's courtesy of Jon Bluming.

Strong Machine
2/13/2004 11:42am,
A bicep crush can do serious damage, same as a calf crush.I know.I once fractured my forearm in a bicep crush.Sounds convenient that I'd say this, like I'm trying to prove my point.But I really honestly did.And I had aside control at the time.I ignored the apin, kept pushing down on his face/neck.Eventually I escaped.But after 6 weeks of pain.My doc said I had a fracture.
For J-Lau's info, it was S-Lo that did it to me.
Course I got those skinny forearms, that make my bicep crushes devestating, but also make them work on me.I used to not tap, figuring it was just pain, I had heard stories of bicep muscles rolling up but figured it was bunk.I haven't got caught in one in a long time, but if I was caught ,now I'd tap.

mikus
2/13/2004 12:04pm,
I've heard of people's forearms snapping in half because of bicep crushes. I think there's pain long before damage is done but damage will be done if you crank it like crazy.

MMA_Phil
2/13/2004 12:54pm,
Another good move. Was going to mention bicep crush; it is a sub hold and it will snap forearms.
Don't think I've met anybody who can hold the arm there with a death grip. I always find that if they hold the arm: Just move your chest down to it, lock the arm in nice and tight, and arch back.
Ah, you did say against Asia...

Strong Machine
2/13/2004 9:56pm,
Im not as skinny as I used to be.Being unable to walk this past month has given me a certain girth.
I never liked being skinny...but I got tired of fighting roiders at 185.So I was forced to drop down.Then I got more skilled opponants and did much worse.Mayhap I'll just keep gaining and go back to fighting strong scrubs.
(BTW, In general I of course agree, mostly the bicep crush is a pain thing that one can escape through fighting through the pain...kinda like a neck crank.I yell at my guys for tapping to neck cranks, I've never heard of a neck crank breaking someone neck.So until one of my guys becomes a quadreplegic I will yell at them.When one finally does become a quadreplegic I shall reconsider only if he never signed the waiver)

Gezere
2/13/2004 11:55pm,
This move will not help you against ASIA! :p

He is too stupid to be choked.:D