Quote me a source otherwise stop talking out of your arse.

Are you seriously disagreeing with me that people who self select themselves as being "intellectuals" are more likely to choose Aikido over Wrestling?

I have a hard time dealing with that level of delusion.

BJJ will probably be making some inroads into that demographic due to the cerebral nature of it, but it's still too much like hard work for most of the people in that self selected demographic.

Again, remember, this is not about actual intellectual ability. This is about a larger subset of people who are intelligent, but not athletic, and so are attracted to things which allow them to substitute intelligence for athleticism.

Ooh attitude.. no; I think I'll stay thank you very much.

So.. given this is a thread about Aikido (warts and all) Prey tell, how many of you contributors thus far have actually studied any form of aikido ? and assuming there is more than two (which I doubt) who's reached a reasonable level in terms of grade and experience ?

I bet none..

Any takers ?

I did 6 months with the UGA Aikido club. No ranking to speak of.

who would ever want to take aikido in the fist place, after seing what a complete joke ueshiba was? if that Lord of the rings Gandalf impersonation is the ultimate level of aikido then why bother at all?So that's you out of the equation.

Anyone else ?
Are you seriously disagreeing with me that people who self select themselves as being "intellectuals" are more likely to choose Aikido over Wrestling?Listen, if you want to express your opinion, then that's fine but there's a world of difference in you attempting to offer an opinion over what amounts to a statistical argument. Like I say quote me a source and I'll capitulate.

I did 6 months with the UGA Aikido club. No ranking to speak of.Are you an intellectual ?

here is a link to a Bruce Lee interview, in wich he voices his opinion on Tai-chi, wich is another delusional pseudo intellectual martial art piece of you know what.

http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index.cfm?cdid=10681&pid=10225

notice how Lee was exposing such fraud almost 40 years ago, and people weren't convinced. Then the UFC came, and people were still not convinced. Now that nobody ever saw an aidido, tai chi, white crane, wing chun or whaterver pseudo intelectual MA do anything but get trashed in MMA, PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT CONVINCED, no, it's because to attain real skill, you must train for 50 years, THEN you will be a master and destroy GSP in 20 seconds, yeah that must be it, right? :eusa_snoo

Sorry I missed this
Again, remember, this is not about actual intellectual ability. This is about a larger subset of people who are intelligent, but not athletic, and so are attracted to things which allow them to substitute intelligence for athleticism.And the problem with that is what exactly ?

Their life choice, their decision to do whatever the **** they like, is that your business as a matter of interest ?

Kintanon, do you think local culture also has a part to play in this? The uni I attended had strong participation in athletics, swimming, basketball, judo, rugby, football, baseball, kendo, hockey, waterpolo, gymnastics to name a few. I remember a number a number of state and national sports stars in my classes. However I'm not going to use this anecdotal evidence to make sweeping generalizations.

What gets me is osaka's misleading use of the term 'strength'. Aikido, bjj, judo are based around technique, efficiency of movement, basic physics. Not strength.

here is a link to a Bruce Lee interview, in wich he voices his opinion on Tai-chi, wich is another delusional pseudo intellectual martial art piece of you know what.

http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/index.cfm?cdid=10681&pid=10225

notice how Lee was exposing such fraud almost 40 years ago, and people weren't convinced. Then the UFC came, and people were still not convinced. Now that nobody ever saw an aidido, tai chi, white crane, wing chun or whaterver pseudo intelectual MA do anything but get trashed in MMA, PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT CONVINCED, no, it's because to attain real skill, you must train for 50 years, THEN you will be a master and destroy GSP in 20 seconds, yeah that must be it, right? :eusa_snooAnd actually Peach... you've just made my point for me.

I've been on these forums for a number of years, even before the redesign back to around 2003 if I'm right. Anyway, in all that time and within the many MANY aikido threads over the years there's been NO ONE regardless of skill/grade/experience in aikido that could convince or change people's attitudes here.. so There's no fucking point discussing old **** over and over again.

here is a link to a Bruce Lee interview, in wich he voices his opinion on Tai-chi, wich is another delusional pseudo intellectual martial art piece of you know what.


And Steven Seaghoul says that Aikido works.

Thread dead yet or do I need to continue ?

Ooh attitude.. no; I think I'll stay thank you very much.

So.. given this is a thread about Aikido (warts and all) Prey tell, how many of you contributors thus far have actually studied any form of aikido ? and assuming there is more than two (which I doubt) who's reached a reasonable level in terms of grade and experience ?

I bet none..

Any takers ?

In case anyone missed my earlier post, yes, I trained in Aikido for about 5 years although I don't hold any impressive rank (largely because I didn't care at all about testing). I know there are others on this site who are far more accomplished then I am/was but I would consider myself qualified to say that some aspects of Aikido totally blow, some are good, and some are good in theory but have limited application to h2h combat.

Even when I first began training, I knew that some of the throws and techniques I was being shown were not useful in full out fights (or at least I could get the same result easier and with higher success levels). So I tried to use the time drilling them to work on balance and movement etc. Some of the techniques were very useful as pain compliance holds or come-along moves that you might see out of police or bouncers. Then some of the techniques were very effective and looked (for a good reason) a lot like judo. Never once did any of us practice any mystical techniques or try to throw lightning bolts or whatever. We also never sat around telling O-Sensei stories. Just lots of throwing, lots of falling, and lots of joint locks.

I wont say that some people out there don't go way too far with the mysticism angle, or with deifying Ueshiba, or with being LARPers. That has never been my bag, but so be it. Ueshiba definitely got heavily into the religious aspects later in his life, but considering some of the things he lived through I can't say I entirely blame him.

If someone dropped a couple of Atomic weapons on your (anyone's) head, I think its fair to say there'd be a shift in mentality.

And let's not even start a discussion on the imperialistic nature of pre-war Japan.

In case anyone missed my earlier post, yes, I trained in Aikido for about 5 years although I don't hold any impressive rank (largely because I didn't care at all about testing). I know there are others on this site who are far more accomplished then I am/was but I would consider myself qualified to say that some aspects of Aikido totally blow, some are good, and some are good in theory but have limited application to h2h combat.

Even when I first began training, I knew that some of the throws and techniques I was being shown were not useful in full out fights (or at least I could get the same result easier and with higher success levels). So I tried to use the time drilling them to work on balance and movement etc. Some of the techniques were very useful as pain compliance holds or come-along moves that you might see out of police or bouncers. Then some of the techniques were very effective and looked (for a good reason) a lot like judo. Never once did any of us practice any mystical techniques or try to throw lightning bolts or whatever. We also never sat around telling O-Sensei stories. Just lots of throwing, lots of falling, and lots of joint locks.

I wont say that some people out there don't go way too far with the mysticism angle, or with deifying Ueshiba, or with being LARPers. That has never been my bag, but so be it. Ueshiba definitely got heavily into the religious aspects later in his life, but considering some of the things he lived through I can't say I entirely blame him.


So, you seem to be the most knowledgable about aikido on this thread, and even you agree that aikido's real world application are slim.

Never once did any of us practice any mystical techniques or try to throw lightning bolts or whatever.I once farted in the process of having the wind [literally] knocked out of me in a technique and **** myself, if that counts ?

So, you seem to be the most knowledgable about aikido on this thread, and even you agree that aikido's real world application are slim.No.. he's not, not by a long way, no disrespect to him intended.

YouTube- Bas Rutten: Aikido in MMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k_uumIQ1uk)

that says it all, really