I've been eating Salmon like a fucking Grizzly. Relatively low calories for a meat and killer with sriracha sauce.

lol, i just bought a Foreman grill and hope to be doing the same very soon.

Don't get hurt at training (especially in countries with universal health care)

Oh really? My friend busted his knee with no insurance at all around the same time I busted my shoulder. He was in and out of surgery (with one of the top guys in this country) about a month before I got to mine. I had insurance.

Seriously. Every serious, life quality affecting injury is taken care of very quickly.

It's those smaller, not serious enough ones that can take a long while to get fixed with the public system.

Funnily enough though, along with the public option you can still get insurance for things like that, and they don't really cost all that much. Hell, you can get a MMA insurance including competition for less than 400 euros per year around here.

Bah. Shouldn't start posting the first thing in the morning. I get all rant-y.

PS. As for the topic -- I'm not sure what's a good approach to motivating people get out of the eating cycle that leads to morbid obesity. I'm pretty sure that increasing guilt by adding even more public pressure to depressed person (and every single morbidly obese person I know is seriously depressed) is like adding fuel to flames.

But hell yeah they shouldn't be accepted and pampered. 99,99% of them did that to themselves. Actually, there have been suggestions that public health care would be more expensive to fat people even from our politicians. I'm more of the carrot kinda guy though. Adding more perks to healthy people is the better option IMO.

Now, at this point I could write a long screed pointing out that discussions on obesity, like most online discussions, are by default, retarded. But in my research, I've found a few other people who've done the job for me so I'll quote them instead.


/end thread. Great post Truculent Sheep.

shameful. i'm pretty jacked compared to most of my friends and while being at 20%bf before cutting i feel kinda effed up. i don't like being this huge and cannot even wait to finish out this 16 week cut. i do not even understand how people could enjoy and promote a lifestyle that will not only hurt themselves but their children and us along with it as well. nobody should support being obese as a lifestyle. make a special group of police to round those cows up and ban them forcing them not to come out in the public until after a few years of being in a gym.

Best article ever. Amen Phrost. It's pathetic that there is an organization that is trying to suggest accepting this type of behavior. Fat fine...but morbidly obese you got to be fucking kidding me.

Impost a damn fat tax NOW! And stop subsiding **** like high fructose corn syrup. Coke is less expensive then filtered bottled water out of the tap. It's a sick joke.

It's not an excuse. I know someone who lost over 500 pounds without stupid pills, stomach stapling, or crash diets. You know what he did...he changed his fucking lifestyle. He got off his fatass and worked for it. Now is 186 lbs of lean muscle and working to become a personal trainer. He had to go through 4 surgeries to get rid of all the excess skin he had from losing all the weight. The guy took matters into his own hands and saved his own life.

That's the kind of stuff we should be encouraging not feeling sorry for them.

ooh this is scary! I have nothing against fat people (unless I'm in a lift with one of them, in that case I can't help the fact that I am against them)

Seriously in San Fransisco a law bans "fat-ism" in housing and employment and stops doctors pressing patients to slim down.
This is perverse if someone come in weighing 3 times their healthy weight complaining of difficulty in breathing and joint pain the doctor has to sit there and look for a condition other than cake addiction to avoid being sued for stating the bleeding obvious.

They have made their way over to the UK as well I despair!

aNyone who has got to this size has my sympathy however if they are going to sit there and make pathetic excuses then my patiance is all out.

Have you actually got a source for that? For doctors not being able to advise patients to lose weight?

Boom pow in the kisser:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8314125.stm

I can't believe it...**** I'm so glad I move the hell out of California

Have you actually got a source for that? For doctors not being able to advise patients to lose weight?

Doctors are allowed to advise, but if the patient tells them to shut up about it, they are supposed to do so.

I approve of all laws that make Dr's have to shut up.

Even for fatties.

Have you actually got a source for that? For doctors not being able to advise patients to lose weight?

There is a set of compliance guidelines from the human rights commission of the city:
http://www.sf-hrc.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=159

On doctors, the guidelines are thus:

Medical providers must not deny treatment based on a person’s weight or height. Further, medical providers must not make weight loss or weight gain related intervention a condition for treatment. People are often discouraged from seeking medical care because providers lecture them about weight loss rather than treating the condition they came in for. Medical providers may feel obligated to provide weight loss or gain information based on a belief that the information is medically necessary.
At the same time, patients have the right to express disinterest in receiving that information and have the right to refuse treatment. The Commission urges medical providers to honor that choice.


So indeed rather silly after a fashion, and if you squint at the comment, you can see that phil used the word "pressing" (he swiped most of that sentence from a BBC story that ran last week (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314125.stm)) which is different than informing, but there is a difference between refusing someone treatment for being fat, making weight loss the only thing one talks about with one's patient even if they don't want to hear it, and there is a difference between that part of the compliance guideline and a law with teeth.

I've been really inconsistent in my opinions as I read this thread.

For instance, I don't want anybody stigmatizing crappy food. To be honest, I love crappy food. Every week I spend hours in the dojo, on the elliptical, in the squat rack, biking to work, etc. precisely because I have to do something to counteract my torrid affair with crappy food. Some people love crappy food and don't do the work. Okay.

I forget where I was when somebody pointed out the fallacy of saying that the obese drain public healthcare funds. An unhealthy fat guy who dies of a heart attack at 50 costs the State much less than a 90 year old skinny guy with Alzheimer's who requires 24 hour care.

I also said an "unhealthy fat guy" instead of just a "fat guy" because I've known too many fat and/or obese athletes in my life. A friend who was about 5'8" and 310 pounds taught me a front handspring when I was a teenager. (I'm estimating the height, but he told me the weight. It wasn't muscle either.) A guy at my old karate school was a straight-up butterball as long as I knew him but he ran half-marathons on the weekends and used to wring us out when he lead calisthenics before class nearly every day. Now most of the instructors at my dojo (which is NOT strip-mall krotty) are pretty well-padded, although you can see muscle under the fat.

And finally, the Argument from Repugnance also appeals to me. I just find excessive body fat extremely unattractive on women or men, and the amount I find excessive is low enough to probably disgust several of you. I'm a shallow, superficial bastard. I hate myself if I get over 180 pounds at 6'0" and for me the world's women are pretty much divided into 8s, 9s, 10s, and 1s, based solely on how much body fat they have. An extra 20 pounds might as well be 200. No rational thought goes into my personal opinions at all in regards to this subject, and the stuff I said before this paragraph sets up some severe cognitive dissonance for me.

I never read the article and just played the video, and thought **** Paris ain't what it used to be. It's mad there giving skinny people and size zero cunts grief but fatties get love, there's nothing wrong with being a bit chubby, but when ur ass has it's own area code!

If the fat 50 year old that died wasn't fat, he'd have continued contributing to the economy. The skinny 90 year old that died did contribute longer. And newsflash: old 90 year old guy didn't ask for alzheimer's.

Alzheimer's: 2.4-4.5 million living
Fat: 127 million overweight, 60 million obese

Plus obesity ridiculously raises your risk of alzheimers (http://www.elements4health.com/obesity-can-increase-the-risk-of-alzheimers-by-as-much-as-80-per-cent.html).

Alzheimer's: 2.4-4.5 million living
Fat: 127 million overweight, 60 million obese

Jesus that many people obese!!!

And newsflash: old 90 year old guy didn't ask for alzheimer's.

Actually he did, he just forgot about it.

hahaha!

awesome read!
i agree a hundred procent with the article.
being fat has everything to do with lack of character.
i knew this girl who was and probably still is really fat and was always complaining about it, im not sure what her excuse was because i couldnt hear it cos she always had something in her mouth.
One time i had enough, she was complaining again about how its not easy being 'big' and how people thought it was her fault, WHILE she was eating a xl pizza...
I brought the xl pizza under her attention and EVERYONE jumped on me shouting i was insensitive and stuff.
I laughed, called them spineless and to this day never spoke to them again.

Personally im one of those annoying lanky bastards who can eat whatever the hell they like without gaining a pound.
my main foods: grain porridge with honey (lots of energy and folium acids) easy on the meat (2 days a week i eat meat) eggs but only the white, not the yokes, and now it's winter lots of boiled potatoes,carrots,onions, mushrooms.
no candy and once or twice a week max some potatoechips.