Sorry fellas, this occurred when I was going to work.

It is a cull from the thread:
Chain Punching - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90626)

You don't use a blast to close the gap, you use it once you've entered.

Can it be done with power? Yes. Should you focus on using it as a finishing technique? No. Not at all, and especially not the way the majority of Wing Chun teachers tell you to. I'm sorry 10 Tigers, but if most teachers say something, the problem is with the system. That's one of the reasons the WC methodology for the blast was abandoned in Jun Fan.
I totally agree with you DA, except for the part about most teachers advocating the latter. You might have met more WCK teachers than me. My experience, and I have only trained with a few WCK teachers, but none of them advocated entering with chain punches, etc. Maybe I just lucked out. What can I tell you?
I guess WCK teachers are like TKD teachers, or any other MA teacher. The majority of what's out there sux bawlz, and the guys who know their stuff are few and far between. Just because alot of people claim a completely inneffective methodology doesn't make it so, it just means that very few really got the true transmission of their art. ("Too many Chiefs, not enough Braves." People becoming teachers too easily, too soon. Too many egos.)
In TCMA, you see this often. I have definately seen it in Goju-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu, and TKD.
This could actually make a cool thread: Show vids or relate experiences of people you think definately have the true understanding of their art.

Sorry fellas, this occurred when I was going to work.

It is a cull from the thread:
Chain Punching - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90626)
Oops, wrong forum, my bad.

Still getting used to how things work around here.

Anyways, there's a time and a place for the blast to the face, but it's a very limited window, that most people with any sort of experience won't open up for you.

The idea that somebody is just going to let you repeatedly punch them and not try to react or counter, is frankly a dangerous assumption.

Can it work? Yeah. Seen it done.

Should you depend on it as your only tool? God no!

Even if it works, now you've got a hornet on the ground who want's nothing more than to repay the pain and humiliation you just delivered. Is there a chain kick?

It's been said here that the blast is a tool with a specific use. I agree. I would say that not only is it useful only for a specific job, but it must be deployed in conjunction with other "tools".

I totally agree with you DA, except for the part about most teachers advocating the latter. You might have met more WCK teachers than me. My experience, and I have only trained with a few WCK teachers, but none of them advocated entering with chain punches, etc.

Aside from the low stomping front kick, what did they advocate entering with?

simultaneous techniques such as angle off, low sidekick/biu-sao, Heel thrust to the chest or midsection/biu-sao, driving knee/kwun-sao to jam. Once you have bridged, then chain punches can go through the door and then you can finish up with whatever you like, go to the blindside,stomp kick the leg, elbows, etc, etc.
Man, people talk about it like it's some mysterious secret technique. It's not rocket science. Crash the gates, and pummel the guy till he's down. I don't know what the big fuss is.

Chain punching if done prematurely is the same as telegraphing. Your oppponent can see what you are doing. But if you've made a hole in his/her defence, then blasting away with chain punching is one of many options available.

Chain punching if done prematurely is the same as telegraphing. Your oppponent can see what you are doing. But if you've made a hole in his/her defence, then blasting away with chain punching is one of many options available.

So you and others keep repeating, but you're very vague about what you're using to make this hole.


simultaneous techniques such as angle off, low sidekick/biu-sao, Heel thrust to the chest or midsection/biu-sao, driving knee/kwun-sao to jam. Once you have bridged, then chain punches can go through the door and then you can finish up with whatever you like, go to the blindside,stomp kick the leg, elbows, etc, etc.
Man, people talk about it like it's some mysterious secret technique. It's not rocket science. Crash the gates, and pummel the guy till he's down. I don't know what the big fuss is.

It's not rocket science, but when a system doesn't generally teach jab & cross/reverse outsiders scratch their head and wonder what they're using in their place.

Sorry, I just am having a hard time visualizing what you mean. Heel thrust to the chest/midsection sounds like a front kick. When I front kick someone, they fly back, which is the opposite of closing distance. Knees are techniques you use after you've already closed, unless you're flying into him from a distance with it. Same deal with elbows, that's post-closing. I'm wondering how you're getting there in the first place.

Biu sao IIRC is a fingertip strike. Have you actually sparred with it? I ask because a) if not, what are you using in sparring b) pin point strikes are pretty difficult to hit from jab/cross range. It doesn't seem like something the average person could do.

I've had the fortune to spar with quite a few chunners. So far I've seen 2 types: those that borrow jab/cross from outside their system and those left to hopelessly chain punch from way too far away (or use the low stompy front kick, which I think is solid technique TBH, but it's just one technique, and you can only open with the exact same move so many times in a sparring session, even more so when it's a leg technique).

In a self-defense situation you may not have this issue, because often a conflict begins right in your face, but I'm curious what people are using in sparring situations where they have to work for distance.

biu-jee is a fingertip strike. Biu-Sao is the entire hand and arm that thrusts forward.
If the kick hits him in the chest, fine. It's not a teep, it's a kick. It's meant to do damage. If he brings his guard down,even a c.h., hesitates, you go in. If he brings his guard up-then yuo are bridged with him. Either way, you are in. Knees can enter from outside with a shuffle or skip.
It's like hitting someone with a chair. You can try to swing it, but it's far better to point all the legs at your opponent and drive with it, or throw it. Then finish him off.
These entries (and these are but a few, I think with a little imagination, you can find many more. The Mook Yan Jong set contains these) try to throw more than one weapon at a time. Not foolproof, by any means, but they do work. Like anything, it's based on how you set it up. If you are not a smart fighter, you can use any tool in the bag of tricks, it's not going to work.

I could have read all these looooong replies, but instead I wonder about this thing I've heard somewhere around here:

how about a video instead of a lot of talk?

;-)

I could have read all these looooong replies, but instead I wonder about this thing I've heard somewhere around here:

how about a video instead of a lot of talk?

;-)

No, you've posted here long enough. Ask the question correctly.

Video must include alive sparring following this criteria:
RATINGS: How Do Aliveness.....does your school look like this? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70153)

6 and above or, it is worthless.

No, we dot not want a repeat of the last Chun thread with video.

No, you've posted here long enough. Ask the question correctly.

Video must include alive sparring following this criteria:
RATINGS: How Do Aliveness.....does your school look like this? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70153)

6 and above or, it is worthless.

No, we dot not want a repeat of the last Chun thread with video.
True.

I wasn't clear enough, I apologize.

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Ten years and you never learned to chain punch correctly? Or how the structure works? Or how to apply it?
No offense, but the problem does not lie in the system.

No, I know the structure, it's the style and methodology of Wing Chun that is flawed.

I could have read all these looooong replies, but instead I wonder about this thing I've heard somewhere around here:

how about a video instead of a lot of talk?

;-)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3008390222424413246#docid=-3808625817267856358

Vunak's way is the best way to apply chain punches

Vunak's way is the best way to apply chain punches
cool. show examples, please.

cool. show examples, please.

See previous post:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3008390222424413246#docid=-3808625817267856358