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Phrost
9/21/2009 12:47pm,
Fair warning: in order to explain the following concept I'm about to pummel the English language harder than Dan Henderson flying across the ring to drop a fist on a smug, water-squirting Englishman.

When you've spent enough time blasting weasels in the hen house with a shotgun, you eventually get desensitized to the ruffled feathers and clucking of the bystander chickens.


I warned you.


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Artist's recreation of the MartialTalk logo, which isn't much better and looks like it was posted by some weirdo Otherkin on DeviantArt

The shotgun, in this case, is evidence; the weasels, Matt Morton and others like him who lie about and forge credentials; and the chickens are the staff and many of the members of MartialTalk.com.

You see, so far we've never featured another website as a DBOTM here, for several reasons. One of which is the fact that many websites (especially the shady ones) don't particularly care where the traffic comes from or whether or not it's hostile; traffic is traffic and any coverage is essentially "good coverage" when you're in the business of getting eyeballs on a webpage. This isn't exactly true except maybe in the short term, but I'm not here to give a lesson on Internet Marketing so just take my word for it.

What's more important though, is that some webmasters and community owners feed their personal egos off of the number of given people online, even if the bulk of those are directly hostile. That makes as much sense to me as a gawky freshman thinking he's popular by virtue of a large crowd of seniors gathered around to make fun of his wolf t-shirt and World of Warcraft lunch box.

I digress. Still, there are multiple reasons for why we haven't featured other Martial Arts sites in this column, even when so many deserve it.

But there's only one reason why we've bucked our own logic this month. And that reason is because MartialTalk.com actively shelters from criticism and therefore condones the behavior of, fraudulent Martial Artists, as a matter of site policy.

If that last sentence didn't make you cock your head to the side and exclaim "DAAAMN!" like a character in a Tyler Perry movie, then you're probably on the wrong piece of Internet real estate.

That's right. Here's the actual post:


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Now that's a lot of goddamn text if you're only wanting to convey "this isn't the kind of thing we do here", but it's what got republished after we discovered Matt Morton using three false documents to claim various ranks in BJJ and Judo. Morton started a thread (http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79116) on MartialTalk, whining about how he was being persecuted, partly because we discovered that he had photoshopped his name onto Neil Ohlenkamp's Kodokan certificate (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2155380&postcount=372) in order to claim they recognized him as a first dan.

When we confronted Morton on Martialtalk, their staff had an issue, not with the individual who had been found repeatedly forging martial arts documents, but with the people who pointed out such disreputable behavior.

Now we're used to the standard sniveling, whining, and "who appointed you to police the world" comments by people who'd apparently prefer if there was an official government agency to cover everything from fraud in the Martial Arts, to Silly Walks (some of the folks over at JudoForum (http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopic=38190), for example). Of course, we take exception to this kind of thinking, largely because it betrays an attitude of individual disempowerment and moral flaccidity (although in many cases it's just sour grapes by people who'd enjoy the cover provided by entrenched bureaucracy). But this is the first time we've seen a policy document which aggressively promoted and rationalized the online propagation of the "good old boy network" which is largely at the root of many of the problems in the Martial Arts today.

Shame on you, MartialTalk. Whereas we occasionally write up someone as a Douchebag for mostly harmless things, your policies deserve genuine scorn.

For more reading on the ongoing investigation of Matt Morton, click here (http://www.bullshido.org/Matthew_Morton). To visit MartialTalk.com, just stab yourself in the face three times and repeat "I AM A WORLD CHAMPION".

elbines
9/21/2009 2:09pm,
Good write up Phrost. I was lurking in Morton thread and followed a link in there to the martial talk website. Couldn't believe they actually had in writing policies that can allow for the continued existence of frauds on their forums. Sucks that they punish those who ask questions about credentials and what not, but that's why Bullshido exists. I can appreciate this website more after reading Martial Talk's horrible policy.

Sri Hanuman
9/21/2009 2:20pm,
Well written, Phrost.

It's really showing when a web forum dedicated to discussion of martial arts would harbor someone who has been proven to be a fraud. Shows exactly what kind of posters frequent that site.

This does not reflect well on them in their entirety.

ZenOfAnger
9/21/2009 2:26pm,
I don't know whether to be glad or to be angry. Maybe both, but I never knew it would have the effect it had on bullshido. It being the Morton case.

HappyOldGuy
9/21/2009 2:35pm,
It seems like their identity is pretty much just not being bullshido.

Where I come from, that smells like victory.

CoffeeFan
9/21/2009 2:43pm,
It's like the Catholic Church sheltering a pedophile priest and giving sanctuary. For shame on the site and the individual for forging documents.

Phrost
9/21/2009 2:44pm,
It seems like their identity is pretty much just not being bullshido.

Where I come from, that smells like victory.

Haha, yeah, that's way too much text to explain what should be a simple concept; making it read, like an obsessive rant of a dejected ex-girlfriend.

It's one thing to differentiate your product/service in the marketplace, and another thing entirely to go so far as to make your product specifically and obviously inferior. It's like if Adidas removed the soles from their shoes in order to not be like the new Nike Shox.

Psycho Dad
9/21/2009 2:54pm,
Good write up, Phrost and congrats on getting the Bullshido Youtube account back. This move by MartialTalk should make the site the laughingstock of all serious martial artists.

Zapruder
9/21/2009 2:59pm,
Haha, yeah, that's way too much text to explain what should be a simple concept; making it read, like an obsessive rant of a dejected ex-girlfriend.

It's one thing to differentiate your product/service in the marketplace, and another thing entirely to go so far as to make your product specifically and obviously inferior. It's like if Adidas removed the soles from their shoes in order to not be like the new Nike Shox.

You might be on to something...I would buy the Adidas Hobo!

Whacker
9/21/2009 3:14pm,
LOL! I didn't see this coming, but I couldn't agree more with all of the sentiments expressed.

It's just that much more precious when people who advertise publicly get all shitty and pissy when someone actually looks into their histories and backgrounds, because those types usually seem to end up as frauds or liars. When folks set out their shingle to do business in public, by definition they open themselves to people legitimately questioning their business/credentials/services.

In this day and age, it simply doesn't make sense to buy products or services without researching the hell out of them first. "What's that you say, Mr. Salesman? This car has the best safety record in it's class? OK, I'll be back after I do some serious digging on it, and by the way also on your business to see if you've had complaints for screwing over customers. Thanks!" In such ways can we reward truth, honesty, and solid products with our hard earned dollars, and prevent ourselves from the mistake of spending cash on cheap and shitty goods or services from disreputable or dishonest people.

Conde Koma
9/21/2009 3:47pm,
Hopefully they get what's coming to them, I can't imagine what reasoning they could give for protecting known frauds.

Kishi
9/21/2009 5:34pm,
Hopefully they get what's coming to them, I can't imagine what reasoning they could give for protecting known frauds.

I guess it's moral relativity. 'What's right for you isn't right for me! How could we possibly tell who's doing it right vs. wrong? Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya and not question and etc.'

I don't know that I'd say they deserve such recognition - only because I don't believe in judging people - but they're definitely going out of their way to earn it.

Just incredible.

bobyclumsyninja
9/21/2009 5:35pm,
So anyone can claim anything on their site? just...wow.

G-Off
9/21/2009 6:42pm,
I vote that instead of getting our panties in a twist, we take advantage of this site policy.

First one to claim Head Ninjer of Brazilian Ju-Kido Faceboxing, 20th dan soke Esquire on MartialTalk wins 1,000 internets!

Sley
9/21/2009 8:04pm,
Thats just bad, truly a bigger douchebag then brock lesner

ZenOfAnger
9/21/2009 10:29pm,
Thats just bad, truly a bigger douchebag then brock lesner

True. At least he can fight to back up his douchebaggery, which is what in my eyes makes him slightly less of a douche. But then again, I guess if you went over to martial talk and claimed to be 10 foot tall, 500 pounds and could easily take him on, according to their rules you are more than justified to claim such without being questioned.:wanim