Was roaming around the net and found this:



Sherdog.com says UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar will meet Shane Carwin at UFC 106 on Nov. 21 in Las Vegas.

MMAMadness.com was the first to report on the card shift that will see Carwin move from a scheduled bout against Cain Velasquez at UFC 104.

Sherdog.com says scheduling problems led to the cancellation of the Carwin-Velasquez fight.

Carwin moved up to the title shot following fast first-round TKOs over Neil Wain at UFC 89 and Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 96.

Randy Couture, who has already lost to Lesnar, suggests: "I think using the cage and finding ways to make him fight off of his back is probably the way to get to him and potentially beat him."

here is one link:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/othersports/2009/08/22/10561306-sun.html

also:

http://www.mmamadness.com/2009/08/shane-carwin-gets-title-shot-verses-brock-lesnar-at-ufc-106/

So early thoughts on this one?

I see Carwin being a very real threat to Lesnar. He is big, has heavy hands, good agility, and uses the cage very well. The only downfall I see is if it starts to go the distance, we haven't seen Carwin (or Lesnar for that fact) in the later rounds.

Carwin will embarass Lesnar.

It doesn't make it past the 2:11 mark.

I think that Carwin will win as well... at least I want him to win. He is a big dude. It's gonna depend who lands the lucky shot first.

Carwin knocked the **** out of Gonzaga with a half-assed arm punch, and I'm hazarding a guess that Gonzaga has a sliiiightly better chin than Lesnar. I could be wrong though.

My money's on an early ko though. Hope Carwin works the takedown defense.

Also, this makes me smile and is kinda related to the topic, so there.

YouTube - Budlight Fight Replay - Wellisch Vs Carwin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4N-vncLbA&feature=related)

I think Lesnar is being significantly underestimated...................

I think Lesnar is being significantly underestimated...................
+1,000

I would very much have liked to have seen Carwin win a couple more fights before being given a shot at Lesnar. It all feels a little rushed, almost like they are trying to quickly 'dethrone' Lesnar as a knee-jerk reaction to not being able to set up the Lesnar-Fedor fight. After all no-one cares about Fedor-Carwin, and once Lesnar has had his streak broken no one will care about Fedor-Lesnar either, urgo, no-one (well your casual fan) will give a **** about Fedor.

Carwin is as good a contender as any at the moment but if Lesnar plays it safe he will walk this one.

lots of people hate lesnar for his pro wrestling. but he's a big threat to anyone in the heavyweight division. his neutralisation of frank mirs half guard was scary. if he gets on top of you and your bottom game is worse than frank mirs then you're done. he will take pretty much anyone down, whether he can take carwin down remains to be seem though.

I think that Lesnar will come out with the win in this one. However its probably the most interesting match yet, due to both the size and wrestling ability combined. Still I reckon that Lesnar will get him down and just GNP him from there. I also think that Lesnar is faster than Carwin and that could play a decisive part in the wrestling.

Having said that Carwin has lead in his hands and he could well knock Lesnar out, I just don't really see it happening, despite the fact that striking seems to be the weakest part of Lesnar's game (despite knocking down Randy with that right).

Still I would like to see Carwin win. Also is it just me or does anyone else wish Kongo could wrestle?

Please God, I don't really believe in you normally, but if you're out there, let Carwin KO Lesnar with his leg all twisted up in Cro Cop fashion, so there can be 50 million hilarious gifs made of it.

I think Lesnar is being significantly underestimated...................

I am not taking a single thing away from Lesnar, he works hard and is a student of the game for sure. I just think that dumping him in there off a loss to Mir, and a win over Herring was rushing it too much. I would have liked to see him have more experience first, let him get in there and show that he is serious before tossing him in a title bout against Captain America.

That being said; what's done is done and I forsee this being a huge (pun intended) match up and a great fight. They both have their work cut out for them.

Lesnar's athletic ability should no longer be questioned.
All of the WWE guys are among the most highly athletic
in sports.

That said, it's scary to think of all those guys Dana White
dumped from the heavy weight division as soon as he could
write their names down, and all that attention he finally did
throw at Fedor to try to get things done. . .then. didn't.

I don't see Carvin beating Lesnar unless he gets a clean
shot during stand up, and and little luck. Otherwise, he
isn't strong enough, fast enough, or able to dominate any
part of Lesnar on the ground, and Lesnar will take him down.

Lesnar's mma learning curve is also, highly under-appreciated.

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lots of people hate lesnar for his pro wrestling.
Speaking only for myself, no. I hated Lesnar when he was a pro wrestler (for different reasons), and I hate him now not because I fail to aknowledge his legit skill, or because of his past employment.

I hate Lesnar because I hate all bad sportsmen. Add him to the list with the Diaz brothers, Manny Gamburyan, Melvin Guillard, and a truckload of others.

As to the subject at hand, Carwin is also a legit wrestler, and while not quite as big as Brock, he is certainly big enough to make the ground game a contest of skill rather than a contest of power-and-skill versus skill.

I think it's a question of how soon Brock goes for the takedown, and whether Carwin can stop it. Couture thwarted Lesnar's takedowns for a while, and while few fighters have anything close to Randy's clinch game, it proved that Lesnar isnt simply unstoppable in taking people down.

If it stays standing- while aknowleging Brock's speed and power, I havn't seen anything to show me that Lesnar has the standing technique to claim the advantage. While he knocked down Herring, which speaks to his strength, he didnt show any head movement, or combos in doing so.

While thin, the edge standing (going in, anyway.. Brock could always show something new) has to go to Carwin. The edge on the ground between two similar styles and skill levels will generally go to the bigger, stronger man, which would be Lesnar. I see the question of the fight being answered by whether Carwin can prevent the takedown (or secure one of his own) long enough to land a decisive punch.

Of course Lesnar could land one first, and when fighters are this big and strong, it will often come down to who lands first. Coin toss, but a VERY slight edge to Carwin, IMO.

His training camp should be 80% Wrestling 20% Boxing, if he's taken down he doesn't have a hope.

I don't hate Lesnar, I wouldn't even go so far as to say I dislike him. I believe we're going to look back in twenty years and point to Lesnar as the catalyst for a change in the way MMA does heavyweights.

I don't mean to take anything away from his win over Frank Mir, he did nothing but good things, I just happen to think that Mir did nothing but bad things as soon as he got on the ground. That aside, knows more about what to do in half-guard, Brock Lesnar or Gabriel Gonzaga?

Hint: Only one of them is a BJJ blackbelt and a Mundials champ. And Carwin popped up a few seconds after being smashed with two strikes better than anything I've seen from the other one, and then reached out and flipped his switch.

Carwin also has bigger hands than Lesnar, with reach negligibly shorter.

brock defintely dwarfs carwin though i used to train at the gym carwin did and hes honeslty not a very big fella though he looks like it in the fights


i stood next to him and hes no six four like is said id say at the least hes five ten and at the most hes six foot maybe

i think brock will win though im a fan of carwin but i think brock has abetter jaw alot of fights carwin gets rocked easily and with a big thanksgiving ham sized fist that lesnar has i think shane will get k'od round one