Thats pretty much it, is there a system/style that is actually all around fairly good for self-defense ? Balancing simplistic ass whooping skills with a solid strategy that wont wind you up in prison for winning ?

Thats pretty much it, is there a system/style that is actually all around fairly good for self-defense ? Balancing simplistic ass whooping skills with a solid strategy that wont wind you up in prison for winning ?

Gee, you must have put seconds of thought into this post. Did you also give the same amount of thought into picking this forum or even this website?

Mods, please move to somewhere more appropriate like YMAS or trollshido.

Gee, you must have put seconds of thought into this post. Did you also give the same amount of thought into picking this forum or even this website?

Mods, please move to somewhere more appropriate like YMAS or trollshido.


Hey smartass check it out, actually ive put years of thought into the subject, there is no need in a long winded question when that covers what i was wanting opinions on. I asked here at bullshido because for the most part there are some people who actually have logical reasoning skills and actual fight skills.

Then there are stupid wise ass fuckers like you , who love to find a post where they can appear to be cocky and talk ****, and then i would assume you spend the rest of the day watching and checking in here just hoping one of the guys whos nuts you swing from gives you some form of internet kudos.

The old saying " if you cant say nothing nice, then shut the **** up" would be sound advice for you. im not asking for myself , its for a family memeber who doesnt want to spend the hours/sweat and years to become fairly proficent in a chosen style.

I chose western boxing forum because i am talking about a self-defense model that would work against a good striker , not some fantasy lunge punch.

If for some reason you feel the urge to respond back with some smartass anwser and start a war of insults, save your bullshit and lets just throwdown, im in the mood to kick the **** out of something and im sure you will do just fine.

For the record, the Western MA Discussion Forum probably isn't the best place to ask this question; I'd suggest posting it in the Armory, which is the "official" self defense forum - The Armory: Weapons, Military, LEO, and Self Defense Forum - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65) .

That said, if anyone feels like discussing this here, try to keep it on-topic re. Western styles.

Hey smartass check it out, actually ive put years of thought into the subject, there is no need in a long winded question when that covers what i was wanting opinions on. I asked here at bullshido because for the most part there are some people who actually have logical reasoning skills and actual fight skills.

Then there are stupid wise ass fuckers like you , who love to find a post where they can appear to be cocky and talk ****, and then i would assume you spend the rest of the day watching and checking in here just hoping one of the guys whos nuts you swing from gives you some form of internet kudos.

The old saying " if you cant say nothing nice, then shut the **** up" would be sound advice for you. im not asking for myself , its for a family memeber who doesnt want to spend the hours/sweat and years to become fairly proficent in a chosen style.

I chose western boxing forum because i am talking about a self-defense model that would work against a good striker , not some fantasy lunge punch.

If for some reason you feel the urge to respond back with some smartass anwser and start a war of insults, save your bullshit and lets just throwdown, im in the mood to kick the **** out of something and im sure you will do just fine.


In my experience if you want an art that has a better chance of keeping a family member free of criminal prosecution you would do well to direct them to a Jodo or Jiu-jitsu dojo/gym. There they will get in better shape and also be better equipped with the skills to maybe also restrain an attacker until help arrives...as opposed to beating the hell out of them.

With two hours training once or twice a week they will probably have a very good chance of defending themselves...

For the record, the Western MA Discussion Forum probably isn't the best place to ask this question; I'd suggest posting it in the Armory, which is the "official" self defense forum - The Armory: Weapons, Military, LEO, and Self Defense Forum - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65) .

That said, if anyone feels like discussing this here, try to keep it on-topic re. Western styles.


Alright man, is there a way i can personally move it myself ? I am curious though from the prespective of a self-defense against a good boxer type attack. thanx.

For the record, the Western MA Discussion Forum probably isn't the best place to ask this question; I'd suggest posting it in the Armory, which is the "official" self defense forum - The Armory: Weapons, Military, LEO, and Self Defense Forum - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65) .

That said, if anyone feels like discussing this here, try to keep it on-topic re. Western styles.

Sorry man, is there anyway that i can personally move the thread to its rightful place ? As far as keeping on topic, i am mostly curious about defense against a good boxer type of fighter, i feel that is about the most common type of fight anyone would find themselves in.

Sorry man, is there anyway that i can personally move the thread to its rightful place ? As far as keeping on topic, i am mostly curious about defense against a good boxer type of fighter, i feel that is about the most common type of fight anyone would find themselves in.

I'd suggest just copying your post and re-posting it in the Armory.

In very broad terms, the best unarmed defense against a boxing-type attack would probably be to learn boxing defense and then back it up with a good grappling style, but there is much more to real self defense than just training in unarmed combat. Awareness is really important, and should be trained in the same way you'd train physical combat skills; likewise, training in verbal self defense, as in not taking the bait if someone is trying to provoke a fight, etc. There's also the legal side to consider.

Anyway, I do suggest taking this question to the Armory forum. Good luck with it.

Then there are stupid wise ass fuckers like you , who love to find a post where they can appear to be cocky and talk ****, and then i would assume you spend the rest of the day watching and checking in here just hoping one of the guys whos nuts you swing from gives you some form of internet kudos.

I like this guy.


The old saying " if you cant say nothing nice, then shut the **** up" would be sound advice for you. im not asking for myself , its for a family memeber who doesnt want to spend the hours/sweat and years to become fairly proficent in a chosen style.

Well, we don't often say "nice things" here so maybe you'd want to recalibrate the way you look at human interaction. Because being nice is often synonymous with being totally full of ****.

But whatever, up to you.

As for the "not wanting to spend hours/sweat and years to become fairly proficient, I'd remind you that proficiency doesn't come easily in anything of value. Especially not something as complicated as fighting. They're gonna have to work. Everybody has to put in work. A better way to answer this question is for them to find a martial practice that is effective and one that they also enjoy so that they don't mind putting in all that blood, sweat and tears to site the old cliche.


I chose western boxing forum because i am talking about a self-defense model that would work against a good striker , not some fantasy lunge punch.

There are good strikers from disciplines in nearly every hemisphere and region. The Western Martial arts forum is often given over to disciplines that are purely western in though and approach and many of these have fallen into antiquity. Boxing, while certainly a western approach, hasn't fallen into disuse though it has changed significantly over the years.

We try to avoid blanket statements here, even I like to think, over the systems that are so easy to set aside with such a statement. It's a type of lazy thinking that's very easy to fall into. **** I know I do constantly.


save your bullshit and lets just throwdown, im in the mood to kick the **** out of something and im sure you will do just fine.

Ok, now stop that. We all know it's not going to happen and do you really want to tell somebody you got that cool scar because you got into a fight over the internet?

(Please excuse my english) After six years of obsessed search for the best martial art in self-defense, I can only find one answer; nop. I´ve practised karate, aikido, nihon tai jitsu, kajukembo, boxing, wing chun, krav maga... at the end, you use what you can and just fight to save your life.

I heard that tae kwon do is pretty good.

I heard Pirate-jitsu is T3h D34ly

OP, I jumped on your post for 2 reasons.

1 - Wrong forum. This forum is dedicated to discussion about western martial arts not generic self defense questions.

2 - It was a poorly worded "What can I use to kick ass and not go to jail, he he he" post. Self defense can cover everything from situational awareness, verbal skills, the psychology of a fight or fighting skills. In a western martial arts sense things that work from a strictly fighting point of view include wrestling, boxing and modern combatives (Army or Marine Corps versions).

A better thought out question would have brought a more thoughtful reply.

BTW if you wish to remain here as poster you are going to need a thicker skin, I'm one of the nice guys.

OP, I jumped on your post for 2 reasons.

1 - Wrong forum. This forum is dedicated to discussion about western martial arts not generic self defense questions.

2 - It was a poorly worded "What can I use to kick ass and not go to jail, he he he" post. Self defense can cover everything from situational awareness, verbal skills, the psychology of a fight or fighting skills. In a western martial arts sense things that work from a strictly fighting point of view include wrestling, boxing and modern combatives (Army or Marine Corps versions).

A better thought out question would have brought a more thoughtful reply.

BTW if you wish to remain here as poster you are going to need a thicker skin, I'm one of the nice guys.

It was actually just a bad day...my apologies. Thanx to everyone for the advice and ill be sure to apply some proper effort in choosing the right threads.

Thats pretty much it, is there a system/style that is actually all around fairly good for self-defense ? Balancing simplistic ass whooping skills with a solid strategy that wont wind you up in prison for winning ?

Hello
Yes they all are and no there is none.
Medieval fencing tick a lots of box but it is adapted for 15th century world and mindset.

In any case you need to understand that MA only covers application of force and that is only one of the components of SD.
That application of force is slanted towards a particular way of training and applying it. So you just need to understand the condition under witch you do what you do in you given MA/Combat Sport and make the per-equation with the condition on under which self defence situation will arise.

Now there is no magic bullet, doing Gracie BJJ, SAS combative, Medieval fencing, Boxing, karate, kali, hard-style aiki, combat shooting, RBSD is only going to get you that far. At the end of the day the size of the gun is nothing compared to you ability to place the bullet.
MA/SD/CS will only get you that far. If you have been around for a while, like some of us here you will have at least seen two iteration of the same circular carpy argument. Techniques then pressure testing then competition then it’s no like that in real life then technique.

We can really divide fighter in two type people who fight from an organised position to get a dominant position. Combat sport or MA competitions are the ultimate expression of that. (I.e. neutral unalterable environment)
And people that will manipulate the environment to get in a dominant position, the vast majority of SD customer will fall into that category

You need to train for SD the same way you train for Combat sport.
You do need body conditioning both in giving a receiving.
You need that pressure and situation testing because that what you need to be able to react in time. It is all well and good to say that you average SD customer is going to deceive/sneak his way up to you, but it does imply some ability to weather the strom.
You need to understand edged weapons and fire arms.

First and foremost, you do need to understand the law. Those points should be ultra clear, and really you should check with a lawyer.
Will there be a civil and legal action
When and what self defence is a legitimate defence in both courts.
What is a reasonable force and a reasonable man.
If you get that wrong ABH/assault is the least you can expect
If, what and when you can use and carry as weapon

And really you need to be happy with yourself walking away from a situation or even better a potential situation. You do not have any thing to prove to anyone especially yourself, personally I thin this is the hardest bit.
phil

Thats pretty much it, is there a system/style that is actually all around fairly good for self-defense ? Balancing simplistic ass whooping skills with a solid strategy that wont wind you up in prison for winning ?

Have you looked into San Soo? This style of kung fu is not a tournament style and offers some good self defense training. In the class I was in, there was continue workouts and sparring. Several advanced students I met had divided skills from other MA styles. I asked why they signed up and they said to get another perspective on the art. The training is designed in more of a street/combat style and the sparring can get tough and injuries have occurred.

Again you could go to several different San Soo schools and check it out and introduce yourself to the master instructor and explain what you want to do and learn.

I also like the Ed Parker Kenpo system for self defense. There are others.

But in these forums, you will get many opinions, agreements and disagreements about what systems are better suited for self defense purposes. The school I signed up for was great and actually as a beginner I had no prior training, but the master gave a lot of one on one time to beginners. I learned some things in self defense at the first class. I also got injured, my fault for not listening to the rules and dropped out. And part of my injury was due to prior car accidents and disc damage. I have no blame to San Soo classes. I would have liked to continue, but I am way too old now and my body has had it physically anyway for tough sparring. But I really miss those times.

Here again though, I can only report my personal hands on experience. There is a style out there for anyone and although said before by others here, boxing in a good gym is invaluable to learn self defense tactics.

Btw, one of the first things taught in San Soo was, be aware of your surroundings, don't present yourself as a potential victim, walk and stand like a fighter, be prepared to fight and survive in 3-5 seconds if possible and only if attacked and cannot escape or talk your way out of a confrontation, fight in visualizations in the mind but learn to apply the mental by doing the hard work it takes physically, work with good sparring partners, and numerous other points too vast to list.

katt