TMA is a beautiful art.... That being said, too many TMAs do not translate well to a true street fight.

Granted 'some training' is better than 'no training' but that would miss the point. In a legitamate street fight, crane style would be no match for a thrown chair. It may indeed make it harder for you to stay standing due to holding your one leg up.

Were talking apples and oranges here. TMA = Beautiful but not much a self defense.

TMA is a beautiful art.... That being said, too many TMAs do not translate well to a true street fight.

Granted 'some training' is better than 'no training' but that would miss the point. In a legitamate street fight, crane style would be no match for a thrown chair. It may indeed make it harder for you to stay standing due to holding your one leg up.

Were talking apples and oranges here. TMA = Beautiful but not much a self defense.

I don't agree with that. There are TMA that work and TMA that don't and TMA that work but are not trained properly. If you studied Judo but only did kata and practise throws on a resisting person it would be useless in combat. Trained properly, however, it is a very safe and effective TMA to practise. ;)

It's not slander to call someone's opinion bullshit when it's been beaten and disproven to death on about 400 other threads. I mean fucking really, everybody knows an armbar CAN work, but if I see someone training it slowly and shittily against a non-resisting opponent who makes retarded and unrealistic responses (or none at all) to the maneuver, what the **** is the point dude?!?!
Gabe this muppet is a dutch guy who over the years has spouted stupid crap such as ' you roll with sweaty men but i know chin' na worx cus the police in china uses it.'

' i hez trained in china, i hez real crappling'

he always refuses to put up any proof.

We all know that you can't trust the Dutch. 'Nuff said.

Honestly, its because we don't train in Wushu, TKD, or Sanda.
TLH. I agree with your points, and Maerten is a a tard, but Sanda is an extremely good striking style, and the throws and takedowns make it easy to integrate it to a grappling art like BJJ.

TLH. I agree with your points, and Maerten is a a tard, but Sanda is an extremely good striking style, and the throws and takedowns make it easy to integrate it to a grappling art like BJJ.

what he said! ^

chin na however, is not.
the difference is that sanda is a full contact sport and you got to work to get your skills.


chin na is usually practised by the pyama wearing ****** type such as maarten sfs who then come up with complicated craptheories.

Actually, we practised Qinna against a resisting opponent just as we practised punching, kicking, and takedowns. The only things I never learned in Sanda were chokes, although we learned several defenses against them.

It takes a thousand repetitions against a resisting opponent to apply a Qinna technique, but it does work. That's why it was the last thing that we were taught and why many people don't even get into it. It really adds a whole new dimension to fighting because not only can you already punch and kick and throw them and avoid what your opponent throws at you, you can literally break their bones and tear their muscles and control them through pain.

As soon as your opponent realises what you are doing you should already be applying the next technique and flow from one to the other and also appear to do one technique to get a reaction but setting them up for another, just like throws are done standing or BJJ is done on the ground. Years ago I thought too much about it when it's really that simple.

Whether or not you like me (and I really don't give a **** if you do) I am right. The question is; do you have the balls to admit it?

Actually, we practised Qinna against a resisting opponent just as we practised punching, kicking, and takedowns. The only things I never learned in Sanda were chokes, although we learned several defenses against them.

why learn to defend against chokes when you don't use them in sanda?


It takes a thousand repetitions against a resisting opponent to apply a Qinna technique, but it does work.

Fail.
you don't practise A technique against a resisting opponent, thats retarded, he already knows whats coming and can easily counter.
you learn a set of skills and against a resisting opponent you spar so you learn what the use and when, counter and timing.



That's why it was the last thing that we were taught and why many people don't even get into it. It really adds a whole new dimension to fighting because not only can you already punch and kick and throw them and avoid what your opponent throws at you, you can literally break their bones and tear their muscles and control them through pain.


orrly?
break their bones and tear their muscles...
wow...so i take it you will be competing at Hooyers tournament in Heerlen then?



As soon as your opponent realises what you are doing you should already be applying the next technique and flow from one to the other and also appear to do one technique to get a reaction but setting them up for another, just like throws are done standing or BJJ is done on the ground. Years ago I thought too much about it when it's really that simple.

This proves you're a theory man.
in theory this is simple, doint it is something else.


Whether or not you like me (and I really don't give a **** if you do) I am right. The question is; do you have the balls to admit it?
you're a nobody in my opinion, if you were any good at sanda i would have known you from sanda selection training.
you're about my age and ive never seen you before.
nor at king of xanda tournement.
didnt see you there.
where do you compete anyway?

Actually, we practised Qinna against a resisting opponent just as we practised punching, kicking, and takedowns. The only things I never learned in Sanda were chokes, although we learned several defenses against them.

It takes a thousand repetitions against a resisting opponent to apply a Qinna technique, but it does work. That's why it was the last thing that we were taught and why many people don't even get into it. It really adds a whole new dimension to fighting because not only can you already punch and kick and throw them and avoid what your opponent throws at you, you can literally break their bones and tear their muscles and control them through pain.

As soon as your opponent realises what you are doing you should already be applying the next technique and flow from one to the other and also appear to do one technique to get a reaction but setting them up for another, just like throws are done standing or BJJ is done on the ground. Years ago I thought too much about it when it's really that simple.

Whether or not you like me (and I really don't give a **** if you do) I am right. The question is; do you have the balls to admit it?

Here........

maarten SfS or whatever - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2184484#post2184484)

All of this ignorance is easily cured .

All they have to do is shut the **** up and FIGHT .

Seriously if these people would simply test their theories , the stupid would just slowly evaporate away leaving them with broken ego's, some bruises, and tons more wisdom and experience to back up their new opinions .

But, if they fought using their deadly techniques, people would die.
:new_sleep

well the opening move on the video is a fight ender .. wrist break.....

rest is much to slow even if sped up to be useful

well the opening move on the video is a fight ender .. wrist break.....

rest is much to slow even if sped up to be useful

Breaking someone's wrist is not a guaranteed 'fight ender'. Knocking someone out is the only true works-every-time 'fight ender' and you can't accurately predict that happening.

Choke out is a fight ender too. But yes, short of some kind of unconsciousness, there is no fight ender. Griffin knocked someone out with a broken arm, so clearly a broken wrist isn't meeting the standard.

Its things like these, along with playing HALO 3 online and generally walking around in public, that infuriate me to the point where i want to /ragequit the human race.

I'll bet if we post a faux-fighting MMA style video on that sight all the chunners and krotty dudes will be like 'oh hes so totally kicking ass'

I have 12 years of Goju-ryu and Shoryn-ryu karate training, and the only thing it taught me was to not take Karate.


Must have been american karate then

well the opening move on the video is a fight ender .. wrist break.....

Unless, of course, your opponent is aware that he can strike using his elbow...

I know a lot of guys hate Kung Fu or anything that isnt MMA or BJJ. But, having studied Kempo, BJJ, and Karate getting kicked in the groin or punched in the throat, or a good thrust punch or kick to the ribs, F*#@' n hurts no matter what your style. Always respect your opponant! In my experience its always the little guys that will give you your worst beating or transition you into a choke when you least expect it.