Holy ****. The UK has a public order act for making homophobic remarks?

Really?

Just wow.

The act is just the public order act*, I think they applied it because he made a homophobic remark. Something along the lines of "causing offence to passers by via the medium of homophobic remarks". The whole thing was pretty silly.

*EDIT: The wording of the original post is ambiguous.

OMG Dennis Prager!!!

LOL!!!

I learned what Dennis Prager told me to learn. The math was a little off though. It was two and a half white guy's and one and a half black guys. Biden actually destroyed the racial balance (and drank non-alcoholic beer which proves something also but I'll need to find out from a conservative commentator about that).

I learned what Dennis Prager told me to learn. The math was a little off though. It was two and a half white guy's and one and a half black guys. Biden actually destroyed the racial balance (and drank non-alcoholic beer which proves something also but I'll need to find out from a conservative commentator about that).
technically speaking, since Obama is actually a foreign national and not a US citizen, the racial parity is ameliorated.

I come to other media-like this-to get away from cable news dumbassery: FROM EITHER SIDE!

Mark, I have no interest in what some commentator from CNN/FOX/etc has to say regarding this. Racial crapfest is exactly what they feed on. This is why they allow idiots like Jesse Jackson and Dennnis Prager to weigh in on such matters.

Again, MTripp, please please please can you put anything you get from other sites like this in spoiler tags, and link the original source please?

If you don't know how to do spoiler tags, its just:
[ spoiler] Stuff in the spoiler tag [/ spoiler] (remove spaces in the tags to get them to work)

Again, MTripp, please please please can you put anything you get from other sites like this in spoiler tags, and link the original source please?

If you don't know how to do spoiler tags, its just:
[ spoiler] Stuff in the spoiler tag [/ spoiler] (remove spaces in the tags to get them to work)

hey mate, how'd you do with your Sambofki?

So here’s the teachable moment: Harvard historian Louis Gates talked back to a police officer because he was treated as a suspect when he felt he should not be, given his fame as a Harvard professor. The professor was certain that the only possible explanation for such treatment was that he, Gates, was a black and the officer just another racist white policeman. The professor was wrong. The president was wrong. The press is wrong. Liberals are wrong. Even most blacks are wrong.

This is actually very insightful. It was more plausible, given his world view, that his status was being ignored because of his race than the alternative: that his status was being ignored because it is irrelevant.

This is actually very insightful. It was more plausible, given his world view, that his status was being ignored because of his race than the alternative: that his status was being ignored because it is irrelevant.

You pretend like that is the more likely alternative. I don't necessarily disagree but it is completely unsupported to suggest it is more likely or that it would be apparent to be more likely during the whole event. Moreover, given Gates's real experience it would not be the more likely alternative.

You pretend like that is the more likely alternative. I don't necessarily disagree but it is completely unsupported to suggest it is more likely or that it would be apparent to be more likely during the whole event. Moreover, given Gates's real experience it would not be the more likely alternative.
Since I'm not pretending one is more likely than the other, I don't know which alternative you're talking about.

Gates expects the same deference from the CPD that he is used to getting from the HUPD. He doesn't get it, and decides it must be because he is black.

Since I'm not pretending one is more likely than the other, I don't know which alternative you're talking about.

Throughout this thread your default position has seemed to be that race being irrelevant is more likely. In this case that may even be true but don't pretend that what Gates may have thought was happening doesn't happen.



Gates expects the same deference from the CPD that he is used to getting from the HUPD. He doesn't get it, and decides it must be because he is black.

I think you mentioned that you've met the guy so maybe you're right. Alternatively maybe people don't like to be accused of breaking into their own homes and that a guy who has certainly experienced lots of racism in his own life figured that might well be because of race. Given his own experiences that's not necessarily a bad guess either.

Throughout this thread your default position has seemed to be that race being irrelevant is more likely. In this case that may even be true but don't pretend that what Gates may have thought was happening doesn't happen.



Yes, it happens to poor people, working class people, ordinary people, powerless people, and every other kind of person there is except the Elite.



I think you mentioned that you've met the guy so maybe you're right. Alternatively maybe people don't like to be accused of breaking into their own homes and that a guy who has certainly experienced lots of racism in his own life figured that might well be because of race. Given his own experiences that's not necessarily a bad guess either.
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I have no doubt that Gates believes it was a purely racist act, because

1) He's an old dude possesed of a fixed world view

2) His scholarship presupposes a certain relationship between blacks and whites

3) His self-image as a member of an oppressed minority probably makes the reality of his actual (dominant) place in Cambridge society hard for him to accept, even if he implicitly understands it when he says things like "You don't know who you're messing with" and phones the university for help.

Edit: "Met" is too strong a work. I've been in the same room with him, that's all.

Officer Crowley needs remedial training on the subject of disorderly conduct so that he doesn't arrest any more people without probable cause.

This should be his first lesson:


"To be disorderly, within the sense of the statute, the conduct must disturb through acts other than speech; neither a provocative nor a foul mouth transgresses the statute."

Commonwealth v. LePore

Yes, it happens to poor people, working class people, ordinary people, powerless people, and every other kind of person there is except the Elite.

This is an interesting assertion and one I find highly questionable. Your opinion seems then to be that racism and discrimination cannot be directed toward those with some sort of power or stature.

I really don't know what to say about that except wow

2) His scholarship presupposes a certain relationship between blacks and whites

Presupposes or demonstrates. Tripp assumes the former, in all likelihood it is a combination of both.

This is an interesting assertion and one I find highly questionable. Your opinion seems then to be that racism and discrimination cannot be effectively directed toward those with some sort of power or stature.

I really don't know what to say about that except wow

Fixed.

This incident illustrates that fact nicely. I believe the charges weren't yet dropped when I started the thread. You could still see it coming a mile away. Power has its percs.

Crying on a bus = sadness. Crying in a Bentley = pathetic.

Presupposes or demonstrates. Tripp assumes the former, in all likelihood it is a combination of both.
I mean only to point out that he is heavily invested in certain ideas. I have not been reading much of Tripp's wall paper.