tghey only utilize one tehcnique, and that is the chain punch with the occasional kick thrown in. And why is it they never attempt to block any of the strikes or move out of the way but punch through them and not even at an angle but straight on? Here is what a good vertical style attack should be imo with defense:
YouTube - Hsing Yi Chuan Crushing Fist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewqv-EWXzS8&feature=related)

So this video shows how wing chun should be done to be effective?

I don't think you understand the norms and mores here. You should consider finding another website to hang out on.

wu cao dung

how is that video any different from the "wrong" kind of attack that you just described?

And why is it they never attempt to block any of the strikes or move out of the way but punch through them and not even at an angle but straight on? Here is what a good vertical style attack should be imo with defense:



As my si-taigung has explained to me, the best answer is always to "punch the guy in the fucking face". By much of _ing _un theory, someone trying to punch you should not be blocked.... (I mean you might have to but it is not considered optimal). You should instead punch them in the face.

The idea of punching through instead of moving out of the way is due to how effective changing the distance is on most people. For instance, if someone is going to kick you and you change your distance and move in an inch or two, the power and effectiveness of the kick can be greatly reduced. So, in theory, why block something you just negated by moving in and punching the guy in the face?

Now, the argument on Bullshido has always been whether this works in practice. So don't just all over and argue with me on that ;) Those are just the theories as to why a )ing _un guy may behave that way.

I'm not here to defend wing chun, but in combat sports generally a person learns to excel at a small number of techniques, and how to set them up, not learn hundreds of techniques to throw at the opponent. That seems to be the chun strategy too (whether or not it works for them is another discussion).

The problem is combat sports arrive at that small hand full of techniques by way of 'natural selection', the good techniques prove themselves over and over in the ring and the 'bad' techniques fail in live situations. No one flat out bans the bad techniques, they just don't work as well so less people use them.

Its the exact opposite in WC, there is no testing ground, no evolution of used techniques... just a small group of 'good' techniques chosen by someone who's never tested their theories in a scientific manner.

So while the two strategies seem similar they're really on opposite ends of the spectrum.

not necessairly, it could be the other techniques are harder to use and develope and take longer and people cant apply them at the right moments or situations that they were originally intended for, for long range instead of short for example or when the opponent charges in instead of just dance around boxer style, etc. Not that they are bad. I mean look at traditional boxing, they proved their techniques through fights all the time yet they still had a totally different style and used many blocks and open stances and not just covers.

how is that video any different from the "wrong" kind of attack that you just described?
well xingyi has a lot more respect among traditionalsits and cma folk than wing chun, and that was one of the better clips ive seen as msot other youtube ones ar eof only forms.

^^^^^^^Watch some Gary Lam vids. Lots of "tsui mah".

Better stuff as far as I could tell you.

well xingyi has a lot more respect among traditionalsits and cma folk than wing chun, and that was one of the better clips ive seen as msot other youtube ones ar eof only forms.
Wait, what? Was that actually supposed to be a good clip? So you're telling me I was the only one here who was biting his keyboard in frustration while watching it...?

The people in that video are not qualified to teach. Or talk about techniques. Or make videos.

Reminds me of 1991 Buffalo NY after listening to a Wu Tang album and smoking blunts.

"Yo use the Tiger mouth son!"

I believe the guy holding the camera is actually none other than Sifu Novell G. Bell, so depending on how you feel about the guy's ability, he's either very qualified to teach his style or he's not.

I'm not sure who the guy is in the video... but, I'm pretty sure that Novell believes him qualified to teach--and that's all that matters there.

As to what is being shown: while I can understand what they are doing, it's not coming out so well on camera.

To compare this first vid to the Wing Chun chain punch is to compare apples and oranges. It's just a different approach to "sensitivity" as far as I'm concerned.

tghey only utilize one tehcnique, and that is the chain punch with the occasional kick thrown in. And why is it they never attempt to block any of the strikes or move out of the way but punch through them and not even at an angle but straight on? Here is what a good vertical style attack should be imo with defense:
YouTube - Hsing Yi Chuan Crushing Fist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewqv-EWXzS8&feature=related)

In my school we were taught specefic defenses for dealing with the attacker punching or kicking. These defenses are usually accompanied by a simultaneous attack fo our own. The reason why ppl don't seem to do this in sparring is probably A.) they don't train under ym sifu and don't know them.

B.) they don't have any faith in thier system and would rather be totaly offensive since it doesnt require any timing or real skill to go forward and be agressive.

They're talking about centre line and chain punching. So xing yi quan is wing chun with bad mandarin pronunciation?

There are no blocks in wing chun because blocking requires you to either:

1) be receiving a telegraphed attack
2) back away to make enough time to react.

If they telegraph that bad why not just strike them so much better...

Wing Chun doesn't back away as a primary method to make defenses work because you may not have the option to back away. Attack an attack.

Chainpunching is just the starting point. Most people never get past the starting point.

edit: watched vid, and the irony here is that they seem to be using BACKING UP to make their WC work, pretty sad.