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Ving Tsun
6/28/2009 1:45am,
The Temple of Martial arts is a kung fu school located in Savannah, GA. This school is the only kung fu school in Savannah. The style of kung fu is Ving Tsun under the Ip Man linage. The school is a traditional "closed school" which means it is not commercialized. Potential students are invited to participate in a free class to determine if Ving Tsun is right for them.

The Temple of Martial Arts is no "belt factory" and uses the traditional Chinese sash system. Once a student has joined he or she is welcome with open arms by the Sifu and other students. All of the students are considered kung fu brothers and sisters.The class size is kept fairly small so that the Sifu can observe ALL the students during the entire duration of the class.

I personally have been a student at "The Temple" as us students call it for six months and have learned more in that six months than I did in other styles. Wing Chun is direct and straight forward and is based on center line theory and the economy of motion. Wing Chun does NOT use brute force to subdue an attacker, it rather uses the attackers brute force against themselves.

The bottom line is that everyone who is interested in martial arts in Savannah should really consider this school due to the fact that anyone can defend themselves using Wing Chun.

1point2
7/02/2009 4:18pm,
Please reconsider your ratings, according to the guidelines for this forum. Until all those 10s are either backed up or removed, this review doesn't really pass muster.

G-Off
7/02/2009 4:21pm,
Wow, I've never seen a Chun school with golden gloves champions teaching before...

Kintanon
7/02/2009 4:31pm,
Yes, I would like to know more about the Aliveness, Equipment, and Striking ratings... Please describe a typical class, please describe the gym/dojo and the equipment available, and please let us know what boxing, kickboxing, sanshou, or other championships your instructor has won (verifiable please) to warrant scores of this extreme nature.

Rivington
7/02/2009 4:32pm,
Example #639845198234 of why "review the school you attend!" is a non-starter.

Ving Tsun
7/02/2009 7:49pm,
I want to begin by breaking down why the school gets a lot of 10 in ratings. First off, the kwoon's aliveness. This school and it's Sifu try to be active in the community. Even though the kwoon is a "closed door school" The Sifu is always helping out with youth programs outside of class. The Sifu takes his time with each student during class to make sure structure is correct and that everyone is able to "touch hands" with the instructor.

The school uses a wide variety of equipment. There is not much, but EVERYTHING you need to become a serious Ving Tsun practitioner. The school has a wooden dummy which is introduced when a student has achieved a certain level. There are conditioning punching pads or "wall pads" which are filled with sand and are used for iron palm and iron fist training. Along with the iron fist training the students use Dit Da Jow, which is a formula that temporary relieves bruising.

The school does teach Ving Tsun weapons like the butterfly swards and the long pole, again when the student has reached the appropriate level. The bow staff, three sectional staff, nunchucks, escrima sticks and Tai Chi sward are also taught. A typical class involves students arriving about 10 minutes early and practicing chi sao. The students then line up (not according to rank) and bow in. The Sifu chooses an seasoned student to lead the class through warm up exercise which include: basic stretching, cat push up's, hand fist push up's (basically punching the ground as you come down) and wrist push up's (doing push up's on your wrist). To wrap up exercising the Sifu usually chooses between 50 Hindu squats, crane for 2 minutes on each leg or horse stance for 5 minutes.

The class is then let by the Sifu to perform Sil Lum Tao. New Students follow along the first time, then the Sifu will go and walk them through the form to a certain point. The class then begins to work on redirecting techniques using bong sao's, tong sao's, pok's perries...etc. Student's are then partnered up with each other to do drills such as chi sao, lop sao, tong da and several others. During these drills the Sifu will go around and "touch hands" with everyone and help the beginning students. The Sifu will then have the students work on Situations. That is basically the whole class besides the Sifu talking to all the students about questions or whatever. The classes are an hour, but can go over and usually do.

Please note that this school does not teach competition fighting!!! This is not a school for bull headed quick tempered people wanting to train for the UFC circuit! This school will not accept students with the wrong attitude! The Sifu has had 32 years of Ving Tsun experience and close to 20 years of Tai Chi experience!!! The website is posted here. Just check it out for yourself. If you have any questions regarding the Sifu, then contact him on the schools website blog.

I hope this answers a lot of questions on this forum. All of us on this site have a common interest we are just taking different paths to get to our destination. One style is no better than the other, it's all about how much time and energy the practitioner of an art puts into their art.

Best of luck to everyone!

Vorpal
7/02/2009 8:02pm,
"Does not teach competition fighting" is shorthand for "you will not be able to to prevail against anyone who actually trains to fight".

Tom Kagan
7/02/2009 8:09pm,
Fix your ratings or your entire review will be treated as spam. You have 1 day.

ZenOfAnger
7/02/2009 8:13pm,
"The bottom line is that everyone who is interested in martial arts in Savannah should really consider this school due to the fact that anyone can defend themselves using Wing Chun."

This made me laugh...

" First off, the kwoon's aliveness. This school and it's Sifu try to be active in the community."

...and this made me laugh even harder, then I promptly did a facepalm. Note I also like the use of "sward", and not "sword".

Your definition is not the accepted term for what was meant by this website's use of it. Aliveness here means whether or not your school can properly use your techniques in actual combat, sport, street, or otherwise any realistic training. This does not include no sparring, kata, forms, one-steps, etc. Without sparring, your score for aliveness can not be higher than a 2.

Now go drown yourself in a pool of fail.


Have a nice day,

ZoA.

Ving Tsun
7/02/2009 11:55pm,
Alright, It's obvious that I we have gotten off on the wrong foot! I now realize that this site is based on "competition style" and street fighting. I thought I made the schools description clear, but I guess not. The "kwoon" which is means training hall in Chinese does NOT center itself around forms! Yes, we do have forms and if anyone does a little research on Ving Tsun (Wing Chun) you will understand that there are three "empty hand" forms and three weapon forms. In which ALL of these forms are combative forms!!! Ving Tsun does not involve fancy kicks and fake blocks that cannot be applied to a real fight. In every class we work on situations and we do this with NO sparring gear!

Maybe I did rate the school too high on this site. My main goal was to promote what I know is a great martial art and a school that shows great discipline. I did not come here to make anyone angry, so I will gladly drop the rating since it is based on different ideas of training. I hope everyone here finds great joy and peace with their art like I have.

God bless!

1point2
7/03/2009 12:08am,
Thanks for fixing the ratings. I really respect that. I still disagree with striking as 10 (that means high-level full-contact competition success, frequent hard-contact sparring, etc), but good on you for revising.

G-Off
7/03/2009 1:04am,
Closer, but not there yet. As I implied, unless there is a golden gloves champ, K1 competitor, or other high-level striker proven by competition teaching that part of the curriculum, it is not a 10.

Rivington
7/03/2009 1:19am,
I especially like the passive-aggressive use of "God bless!"

Tom Kagan
7/04/2009 2:57pm,
The "kwoon" which is means training hall in Chinese does NOT center itself around forms! Yes, we do have forms and if anyone does a little research on Ving Tsun (Wing Chun) you will understand that there are three "empty hand" forms and three weapon forms. In which ALL of these forms are combative forms!!! Ving Tsun does not involve fancy kicks and fake blocks that cannot be applied to a real fight. In every class we work on situations and we do this with NO sparring gear!

Dude, why are you lecturing? Do you have any idea who I am?

Fix your ratings. Of course, if you had done your homework and read the stickies before posting your school information, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But, I'll give you a second chance.

Ving Tsun
7/04/2009 7:51pm,
Again, Ving Tsun is NOT about competition and the schools curriculum should not include how to win a competition match 101. Ving Tsun teaches self defense for REAL LIFE situations.

Tom, I should not have to answer to you. I know that you are not the forum administrator, but from what I gather you were once a Ving Tsun practitioner. I don't know why you are so offended by my ratings, but that's your personal problem not mine. I do consider myself passive-aggressive which is the way we ALL should try to be. If you live life tense and stressed you will wear your body out. Remember soft always overcomes hard, so don't be a hard!

G-Off
7/04/2009 11:14pm,
Again, Ving Tsun is NOT about competition and the schools curriculum should not include how to win a competition match 101. Ving Tsun teaches self defense for REAL LIFE situations.

Tom, I should not have to answer to you. I know that you are not the forum administrator, but from what I gather you were once a Ving Tsun practitioner. I don't know why you are so offended by my ratings, but that's your personal problem not mine. I do consider myself passive-aggressive which is the way we ALL should try to be. If you live life tense and stressed you will wear your body out. Remember soft always overcomes hard, so don't be a hard!

Lolz. I doubt your review will last much longer.

Competition is the best benchmark, bar none, for measuring success/applicability. Street fight data does not exist. But, this is a red herring argument and will simply lead to another chun argument.

The point is, your review does not adhere to the guidelines for reviews on this site, and you did not revise it according to the rules. Read the sticky.