This whole Nibiru/ 12th planet thing just pisses me off. When this thing doesn't happen in 2012 all people will say is -oh we were off by 50 or so years- and the BS lives on.

Still I find myself checking it out and reading up on it occasionally, because i'm a sucker for cool sounding spacey ****.

May 15th 2009 people were talking about how Nibiru was supposed to be visible for the first time in the northen hemisphere. I have a friend with a pretty nice telescope who attempted to check it out. I noticed out of all the claims about this Nibiru flyby no one mentioned what time and exactly where it would be visible. All that was said was it would come up from the south pole. It was a little cloudy here that night but you could still see the sky. My friend saw nothing when he looked for it. Some places claim that it's visible in Austraila w/ binoculars.

Did anybody else hear/know about this? As far as i'm concerned the whole thing is crap, but....it would be great if somone could convince me otherwise with real modern provable evidence (not Z. Sitchen books)

In the mayan calendar 2012 was this past year it shoulda happened already. plus they had predicted it would happen in 2004. the whole thing is based off a mayan myth.

Sitchkin's credentials are in journalism and economics - not exactly the best resume if you are trying to turn minastream views on ancient cultures upside down.

Sitchkin's credentials are in journalism and economics - not exactly the best resume if you are trying to turn minastream views on ancient cultures upside down.

Who is really qualified to do that anyway other than yourself?.. Take the Bible, for instance.. There is a Science to the Bible and it's interpretation.. BUT.. With all of that, can the Bible really be explained and understood in contemporary terms?.. That is the question that drives the Science of the Bible.. That's the enigma of the Bible.. How could any other religious belief be any different?.. Faith is your only tangible connection. Other than that, it's just digging **** up, learning how to read it or interpret it, and then setting it aside for further examination/speculation.

In that context, it's in believing what you are told as being the truth. That's where Science splits from faith.


In the mayan calendar 2012 was this past year it shoulda happened already. plus they had predicted it would happen in 2004. the whole thing is based off a mayan myth.

Actually, the whole thing is a New Age Myth that is based on the VERY REAL Mayan Long Count Calendar. The long count calendar was a calendar that started on what Scholars call "Point Zero".. Basically, the historical beginning of a given culture within a timeline. For instance, the Christian point Zero started when Christ was born, according to the Gregorian Calendar, 2009 years ago.

What constitutes the New Age Myth is the fact that the Long Count Calendar divided periods of time into ages beginning at the point zero and cycling according the changes of the constellations in the night sky over time. These changes were brought about by the natural "wobble" in the Earth's orbit.. also called Earth's precession. It's not known if the Maya or other Mesoamerican cultures knew of this phenomenon, but they obviously observed changes in the night sky that they integrated into their calendars.. They had more than one, actually. Calendars being basically just counting systems starting at a certain point used to mark specific dates and time intervals.

The Maya themselves, according to most scholars, did not associate any dates on this calendar with the so called "End of The World", as much as they attributed it to the "Changing of the ages".. This could mean a new beginning, an end, or most probably.. according to logic.. Both.


This whole Nibiru/ 12th planet thing just pisses me off. When this thing doesn't happen in 2012 all people will say is -oh we were off by 50 or so years- and the BS lives on.

Still I find myself checking it out and reading up on it occasionally, because i'm a sucker for cool sounding spacey ****.

May 15th 2009 people were talking about how Nibiru was supposed to be visible for the first time in the northen hemisphere. I have a friend with a pretty nice telescope who attempted to check it out. I noticed out of all the claims about this Nibiru flyby no one mentioned what time and exactly where it would be visible. All that was said was it would come up from the south pole. It was a little cloudy here that night but you could still see the sky. My friend saw nothing when he looked for it. Some places claim that it's visible in Austraila w/ binoculars.

Did anybody else hear/know about this? As far as i'm concerned the whole thing is crap, but....it would be great if somone could convince me otherwise with real modern provable evidence (not Z. Sitchen books)

You're gonna hate part of my answer.. But.. here goes..

You're gonna have to look in the back of all of Sitchin's books.. In the references.. Everything that he has used, sources from legitimate scholars and thinkers, are there at your disposal.. You don't have to believe his suggestions to get value out of those references.

Also.. Many people claim to have seen Nibiru with medium sized telescopes and have actually taken pictures of it. However, Scientists have not yet confirmed that they can see it.. The speculation resides, as always, with the conspiracy theorists who say that NASA knows and doesn't know what to do or think about it.. Therefore, in cohorts with Big Brother, they wont confirm it.

Also, most of the people that have claimed to have seen it are hardly notable Astronomers, and most notable Astronomers have concluded that these people are most likely seeing Mars or Jupiter in the Southern Hemisphere and more than likely Jupiter in the Northern Hemisphere, given the roundabout dates of the sightings.

Scientists have, however, proven that planet bodies, or dwarf stars, exist outside of the Kueper belt(the outskirts of the solar system).. The reason that they know is that these bodies exert gravitational influences on the outer planets.. primarily Pluto and Neptune.. That's about the closest thing that Science has "confirmed" in regards to the possible existence of another large planet orbiting the Sun.

Look, my man, Sitchin lied when he said that Nibiru appeared in Sumerian tablets. Nibiru is Babylonian and centers around the Babylonian god Marduk. In Sitchin's day, he was able to bullshit his translations and use bullshit translations because so few people cared about or knew how to translate the language. No expert today agrees with his theory. Even laymen can view many Sumerian, Akkadian and Babylonian tablets on websites like the Oxford Online site (http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbycat.php) to check the newer transliterations and translations against older ones. Sitchin's credibility is demolished; there are no gold-powered forcefields, no genetic-engineering, no 6000 year old thermonuclear weapons, no alien reptiles, no giant impact recent enough for bronze-age and chaleolothic man to know about it.

If you want to do what NWO-loons, Zeitgeisters and 9/11 truthers do with the cop-out argument "well it may be bullshit, but ALL IT WAS S'POSED TO DO IS OPEN YOUR MIND" beware: that argument is easily obliterated.



You're gonna have to look in the back of all of Sitchin's books.. In the references.. Everything that he has used, sources from legitimate scholars and thinkers

No.

You have to.

Look, my man, Sitchin lied when he said that Nibiru appeared in Sumerian tablets. Nibiru is Babylonian and centers around the Babylonian god Marduk. In Sitchin's day, he was able to bullshit his translations and use bullshit translations because so few people cared about or knew how to translate the language. No expert today agrees with his theory. Even laymen can view many Sumerian, Akkadian and Babylonian tablets on websites like the Oxford Online site (http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbycat.php) to check the newer transliterations and translations against older ones. Sitchin's credibility is demolished; there are no gold-powered forcefields, no genetic-engineering, no 6000 year old thermonuclear weapons, no alien reptiles, no giant impact recent enough for bronze-age and chaleolothic man to know about it.

If you want to do what NWO-loons, Zeitgeisters and 9/11 truthers do with the cop-out argument "well it may be bullshit, but ALL IT WAS S'POSED TO DO IS OPEN YOUR MIND" beware: that argument is easily obliterated.


No.

You have to.

My correlation is that I cannot pass off anything in regards to the Scientific study of Ancient Cultures because of the fact that translation is what it is.. not exact.. And that our understanding of certain facets of ancient civilizations are incomplete because of the nature of those facets.. I.E. beliefs, origins, religions, legends, and myths.. it is based on previous translations.. Remember the Rosetta Stone?.. I bet you've heard of it, but you have no idea about the actual history of it.. But.. You will come back here and re-post after researching.. That process is my whole point.. I totally ignore all of Sitchin's myths and I concentrate on connecting my own dots from an historical standpoint.. I am, after all, a history major.. so that is my business. And to me, Sitchin's works are worth their weight in Gold-powered forcefields based alone on his references to actual Scholars(In the back of his books).

Also, I never said anything in regards to all the so called "Bull ****" that you make reference to. You called Sitchin's work garbage.. That is, of course, your entitlement as your opinion.. BUT.. My point is that before I pass things off as garbage, I make note of the facets of value. It's people that don't do that who thwart the pursuit of real knowledge because they allow their own skepticism to cloud their understanding. Don't dismiss value based on personal ridicule.

Dude.. Sitchin's ideas, I think, are mainly rooted in the fact that he wants to sell books more than anything else. BUT.. Reading is supposed to open your mind.. I never said that I completely supported anything that Sitchin speculates about.. I simply stated that, among other books, Sitchin has given me insight by connecting me to other sources, and reveling historical events that I was unaware of, and in turn, investigated for myself.

If you want to continue to argue other points that have nothing to do with that, then be my guest.. But.. We are both really arguing two different points here.. All the "Bullshit" is no more believable than anything related.. It's New Age Mythology that has been handed down, re-translated, re-interpreted, and represented.. Faith is the only thing that can connect a person to the unknown.. Science will never be able to explain anything that exists beyond the physical Reality..

That is where, IMO, Sitchin loses credibility.. In his pursuit to explain faith based concepts with Scientific and contemporary language... It's really not possible because beliefs have changed so much over time.. The enigma is in the parallels and similarities because you end up wondering why.. WHY??.. It's a question that no scholar can answer.. Therefore, regardless of Sitchin's "Bull **** translations", and the obliteration of any arguments, those parallels exist..

And I think that the scholars that ridicule Sitchin would rather base most of their ridicule on disproving the operative aspects of his works(translations) than focusing on the bigger speculative picture of making sense out of the Ancient beliefs he references. And I think that it takes away from the whole point of trying to understand faith, when you attempt to justify faith through Science.. There really is just no way to do that.

Take the Story of Alexander the Great.. Other than Xerxes, he probably had one of the most extensive empires in Antiquity. He was, for lack of a better suggestion, a perfect ruler. However, he was obsessed with the search for immortality. Part of the legend was that he was of divine blood, but that God did not grant him immortality. Therefore, he began wandering the Earth in search of the so called "Fountain of Youth".. or "Well of Life".. The Myth, of course, ends with Alexander's failure to find the sacred location.. But.. He did gain immortality through his name going down in history. The myth also makes reference to a special stone that Alexander acquired in his travels that "glowed of it's own accord" which allowed him to see in the dark.. Where is this stone?.. Science has no way of knowing.. Therefore, Science has no way to prove it. You have to believe it, or you don't..

How many histories of how many kings were lost or not yet found? How many historical and biblical dots have yet to be connected? How many myths have changed over time and why?.. These are all questions that Science and archeology still struggle to answer.. Therefore, we only have the evidence we have.. BUT.. that evidence adds nothing to real beliefs other than documenting that they actually existed... Therefore, It's all about how you interpret it.

My correlation is that I cannot pass off anything in regards to the Scientific study of Ancient Cultures because of the fact that translation is what it is.. not exact.. And that our understanding of certain facets of ancient civilizations are incomplete because of the nature of those facets.. I.E. beliefs, origins, religions, legends, and myths.. it is based on previous translations..

We have the source material. We have experts who translate the source material. They say sitchin is wrong. We can look at multiple translations and see that sitchin is wrong. The material he claims is there is not there.

Sitchin mistranslated and misrepresented the data and thus annihilated his own ethos.

As long as you acknowledge this then we have no disagreement.

You're gonna hate part of my answer.. But.. here goes..

Actually no I don't hate it. I read one Sitchin book it was OK, interesting to say the least. Thats why I started that other Sitchin thread. I pretty much got the replies I expected. Sitchin's numerous cross references are the only thing that actually make me wonder if what he is saying could be correct..

My main point is the whole Nibiru May 15th flyby and if anyone else heard about it. More importantly if anyone actually tried to look for it. My friend looked and saw nothing. Therefore Nibiru sucks and most likely is a bunch of hype.

Sitchin's numerous cross references are the only thing that actually make me wonder if what he is saying could be correct.
So you think he legitimately utilized the sources he listed in his bibliography? And how many of his sources are legitimate?

If you want to investigate you can post a few for us.

So you think he legitimately utilized the sources he listed in his bibliography? And how many of his sources are legitimate?

If you want to investigate you can post a few for us.

No I don't know if he legitimatley listed anything. Therefore I can't say "I think he legitimatley".. listed anything in his bibliography. I just meant it's possible he did or didn't. His bibliography is the only proof hes has -how I see it. If someone could prove anything about his bibliography (real or complete BS) -I'd make an opinion. I'm to busy with school to check it out myself (if it was real I couldn't do **** anywways si **** it). Why would I know how many of his sources are legit? Why don't you post your investigations for us ? I don't care that much.

can the Bible really be explained and understood in contemporary terms?
Yes: ”Bronze age myths. They didn’t know any better.”


In that context, it's in believing what you are told as being the truth. That's where Science splits from faith.
And (equivalently) from credulity.


Also.. Many people claim to have seen Nibiru with medium sized telescopes and have actually taken pictures of it. However, Scientists have not yet confirmed that they can see it.. The speculation resides, as always, with the conspiracy theorists who say that NASA knows and doesn't know what to do or think about it.. Therefore, in cohorts with Big Brother, they wont confirm it.
Yes, because the culture of science and the nature of scientists is such that they tend to stick with the status quo, go with authority, and would much rather keep their heads down than make themselves known by controversy.


Scientists have, however, proven that planet bodies, or dwarf stars, exist outside of the Kueper belt(the outskirts of the solar system)..
What the hell have you been smoking? Kuiper Belt objects aren’t called “planet bodies”, but (surprise!) Kuiper Belt objects, and they range in size up to planetoids (technically plutoids), like Pluto, Eris, and so forth. Dwarf stars? Stars?


The reason that they know is that these bodies exert gravitational influences on the outer planets.. primarily Pluto and Neptune..
...And because we have photographs of them.

Pluto, if memory serves, was discovered when people realised Neptune's orbit was getting fucked with by something other than the sun.

As for Nibiru... Look, I live in Australia. I think we'd have noticed if an astral body never seen before emerged in our night sky.

But we didn't see ****.

Socratic, don't be stupid. The reptiles are using the same gold forcefield generator that protects their atmosphere to cloak their planet.

Pluto, if memory serves, was discovered when people realised Neptune's orbit was getting fucked with by something other than the sun.

As for Nibiru... Look, I live in Australia. I think we'd have noticed if an astral body never seen before emerged in our night sky.

But we didn't see ****.

Thats all I really wanted to hear.

To be fair, they were probably too distracted by dingos eating their babies to whip out their binocs for some late night planet viewing.

Socratic, don't be stupid. The reptiles are using the same gold forcefield generator that protects their atmosphere to cloak their planet.


What the hell makes you think the Reptiles [sssszzzzz, they're on to us, Glovrek....] would be here? We're boring people with funny accents and the most remote parts of our country are at least vaguelly populated, and the ones that aren't are irradiated.

Maybe they'd have a mining facility or something, but I'm guessing unless it was in Kakadu all the good minerals are already being harvested.


To be fair, they were probably too distracted by dingos eating their babies to whip out their binocs for some late night planet viewing.

Speaking of which, better go check on junior..... OH GOD DAMMNIT