Hello all:

I've been looking around for a Judo or Jujutsu shop. We've got both Judo and BJJ in my town, and I do intend to check out both of those options. I also found a Shoshin Ryu Jujutsu class. I don't' have a link for the local group, but here's a more general webpage:

http://shoshinryu.org/main.php

I need to tap the collective mind and wisdom of the assembled. Does anyone know anything about this? Bullshido? A profound con job? Great stuff?

I know a lot will depend on the individual instructor, but I would like to know if anyone has had any experiences with the system.

Thanks!

Hello all:

I've been looking around for a Judo or Jujutsu shop. We've got both Judo and BJJ in my town, and I do intend to check out both of those options. I also found a Shoshin Ryu Jujutsu class. I don't' have a link for the local group, but here's a more general webpage:

http://shoshinryu.org/main.php

I need to tap the collective mind and wisdom of the assembled. Does anyone know anything about this? Bullshido? A profound con job? Great stuff?

I know a lot will depend on the individual instructor, but I would like to know if anyone has had any experiences with the system.

Thanks!

Never heard of it.

My advice, go do Judo first and then check out a class and compare.

I know one really good Shoshin-ryu guy. He's the only one I know well. But I've seen a number of others do public demonstrations, and they all solidly failed to impress me.

It's not koryu, that is for sure. Mind you, in their texts on that webpage, they don't actually claim such historical affiliations.

Looks like it is a break-away style from Danzan-ryu

from Wikipedia's Article on Danzan-ryu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzan_Ryu#Shoshin_Ryu_Yudanshakai


Shoshin Ryu Yudanshakai
Shoshin Ryu Yudanshakai was founded by Michael Chubb to provide an educational, athletic, and recreational outlet to aid the physical, moral, and social development of adults and children within the framework of the sport and martial art of Danzan Ryu Jujitsu. It was incoporated in 1987 in the State of California and has been intrumental in the creation and maintenance of several inter-organizational projects, including the Ohana weekends, the Danzan Ryu Hall of Fame and the H.S. Okazaki National Jujitsu Championships.

I studied at a Shoshin-Ryu as a teenager... it's Danzan-Ryu jujitsu. Shoshin-Ryu is the organization. As far as the Danzan-Ryu goes, it depends on the instructor. I trained under a guy named Len Riley as a teenager in Downey, CA. He was very skilled and we did lots of Judo randori. There was very little groundwork until Brown belt, though (except Judo pins). However, I have seen other Shoshin-Ryu schools that really suck. The quality of the training will vary from instructor to instructor and school to school.

As far as the throws and self defense techniques, you won't see a big difference between a quality Danzan-Ryu school and a quality Judo school. The material is very similar.

I've since had some email correspondence with their instructor, who basically confirmed a lot of what the previous posters have said, re Danzan-ryu, the overlap with Judo, etc. He says they train in an alive manner.

I'm going to observe a class tonight at 7. When I get back I'll post an after-action report and we'll see what the assembled have to say.

I rather like Danzan-ryu in theory. Reading the longer thread about it has me hesitant, though. We'll see how it goes.

So, the instructor was kind enough to let me observe a class last night. Here's what we now know:

It's Danzan-ryu Jujutsu.

The instructor has a serious Judo (black belt) and BJJ (unsure) background, so they practice against a non-compliant opponent, do randori/spar, and get together and train/roll with the local Judo group and some of the BJJ crowd.

The instructor is very focused on effective technique, either for competition or the street.

There were no weapons, no flags, and no conditioning. After a warm up, they jumped right into it. Instructor is big on keeping people busy. If you're on the mat, you should be doing something.

There is kata, for whatever that's worth to you.

The biggest downside I see is that it's a relatively young school, with no high-ranking students. That's only so much of a negative--everything has to start someplace--but it's there.

Everyone was friendly, and welcoming.

It's a good setup, and the best bang for the buck for now. I'm going to try it for a month or two and see how it goes. There will be pics and video if anything interesting happens.

ETA: They share a fairly large gym space with a gymnastics program and a capoeira class. Capoeira is a beautiful thing to get to watch, and the gymnastics kids are quiet and polite.

Hello all:

I've been looking around for a Judo or Jujutsu shop. We've got both Judo and BJJ in my town, and I do intend to check out both of those options. I also found a Shoshin Ryu Jujutsu class. I don't' have a link for the local group, but here's a more general webpage:

http://shoshinryu.org/main.php

I need to tap the collective mind and wisdom of the assembled. Does anyone know anything about this? Bullshido? A profound con job? Great stuff?

I know a lot will depend on the individual instructor, but I would like to know if anyone has had any experiences with the system.

Thanks!


if you want the style thats more all round then take jujutsu definetly, becauseyou will anyway be getting the judo side ( seeing as judo comes from jujutsu) so you wont be learning the sport of throwing and grappeling, youll be learning the martial art, get it?

Cymro, I am trying to remember who you are and when you came to the class! Thanks for the good words. Please know that the ShoshinRyu system that I am in and teach is not "Danzan-ryu". We have roots in Kokondo and our systems leaders broke off from that system because they wanted different things for their students. Again, Thank you and please come on by anytime. We will be getting our own building in the next couple of months so the gymnasts will be in other areas while we train!
Domo!

SenseiLawrence.

I noted from your dojo review that you claim to study "TRADITIONAL" Jujutsu.

Please elaborate on that for me.

Traditional in what sense exactly?

If coming from a Koryu-ha, which lineage/school

If coming from gendai budo (which I suspect) I presume, without seeing the kanji means Beginner's mind School, who invented it and when.

I'm somewhat confused when I read statements like traditional then find the methodology of practice/study is purely co-operative. The two are at odds with each other when looking at/considering the origins of jujutsu which began with yoyori kumi uchi.

I'm presuming, given the information within the dojo review posted today, with there being just one instructor, that would be you, is that correct?

Considering you've registered the username of "SenseiLawrence" tell me, do you refer to yourself as "sensei" ? do you consider yourself a "sensei" by title ? do you know the literal meaning of sensei in Nihongo ?

Thank you in advance

As long as by cooperative, it means being a good, agreeable training partner (i.e. emphasis to cooperate to add more resistence just as much as being compliant) I do not immediately see the conflict between being a traditional JJJ school and having a cooperative training atmosphere. However, it would be interesting to see the SenseiLAwrence's response to Hugo.

BTW, what dan do you have to be in SJJJ to be a Sensei?

Traditional JUJUTSU - Wilmington NC - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98058)


We are a non competitive school that emphasis training in cooperation with fellow students to increase ability. We train dynamically to increase speed, awareness, and power. Safety and camaraderie is our number one concern.

Oh... And welcome to Bullshido.

there is a couple shoshinryu's out there. I am affiliated with this one: www.shoshinryu.org. I must apologize upfront as I am probably the worst person to ask about lineage and "traditionalism". I train to train. I train to understand the technique in depth and do my best to offer what I know and what I am still learning. We do not live in fuedal Japan (well, at least I don't) and it would be counter productive for me to teach a person a throw, joint lock, choke once or twice before saying "Ok, now do it to someone twice your size and they are going to kick your ass if you don't do it "right" ". In your opinion, would I retain many students? would my system prosper? NOW, if I take those techniques and work the students basics, repeatedly in a "cooperative" atmosphere helping them develop their power, speed and also their confidence I can then introduce less and less "cooperation". I put cooperation in quotations because if you really think on this, it is all quite relative. Why train gun dissarms if someone can just shoot you from 200 yards? why train knife dissarms/defense if someone can just stab you in the back? I would ask, what is cooperative? in your training, if you EVER learned a technique, did the teacher or fellow student you learned it with "just give it to you"? or did you have to perceive the information. Understand the mechanics in a relatively calm (drill) invironment. Consistantly perform and call upon those mechanics in different environments I.E. different Ukes, different sexes, different skill levels, different schools. THEN add intensity to that technique? STILL, I would offer that the partner that you are working with is still cooperating with you. Take a front bear hug in a womens self defense situation for instance. Even the guy in the redman protective suit has to pretend and "cooperate" with the strikes and techniques that the woman attackee delivers. As teachers and fellow students we need to say Whoa, ok that groin strike would have made me puke as she is going for the palm heal strike or throw, or choke, or armbar, or sweep, or or or or or. otherwise I would just say, "eh, that's not a "real kick" so I am going to pummel her because I am not going to "cooperate". OR, I could say, the only way this wrist technique works is if you head butt first and then kick the groin so the 7'2" linebacker attacking you will not be paying attention to his grabbing hand and you as the smaller Jujutsuist can perform the technique, this may be true, but I would only be able to teach one class a month due to the student Actually head butting me and kicking my groin! ha ha. Cooperative in the sense that I help my students learn the technique, and when they are ready I apply more and more serious pressure. Take a police officer to the shooting range. The police officer should have a good awareness of how to safely and quickly present his side arm and use it well. NOW, add some varying intensity to his day and as he is standing and ready to fire at the target that is standing still, throw a hand full of rocks at him and hit him with a wiffle bat! Did he fire in the same pattern? did he remember to take the safety off? Just some thoughts....

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