I study a Japanese influenced system (strikes, throws, locks, grappling & weaponry for 10+ years) and Jigoro Kano is a major influence in the training. It isn't the techniques taught but how he showed they should be trained that is a great part of his legacy.
He wanted his students to experience high resistance training without crippling them so compiled techniques that wouldn't constantly snap necks, knees or other joints, he encouraged control and wanted results to be based on technique and skill, not brute strength (you will always find someone stronger than you), then had them go at it with full force.
Sporting events were not a part of the original intent so the Competition Judo of today shouldn't reflect on his bad-assery. He covered the throwing and the ground game originally but people seeking to win contests narrowed their focus - mostly gaining points on a good throw in a weight class division. The Jujutsu(sic) of his day had 'deadly' techniques but they would be practiced in formal patterns, with high partner complience, this played a huge factor in his students success when being tested by the police academy. BJJ brought his resistance training and strategy back into the ground game that was slowly being lost in Judo. Watching a BJJ video doesn't provide many surprises, the pins, choke and locks are not 'new', but the intensity and strategy has been brought back, it makes one want to grab a friend and start rolling about.
To my mind a large part of his toughness comes from his ability to train against a non-complient partner but keep his mind in control. He could do a powerful Hip-Throw and ensure the Uke lands on his back, not their head. Some people I've trained with can certainly throw but lose track of the world around them in the process.
Jigoro Kano, took centuries of Martial Tradition and improved it, while still a young fellow. FREAKING BAD ASS!!
Just my two cents, the third cents free.
Tommymomo
5/23/2009 12:15pm,
Hes talking about real jiujitsu, not jujitsu LOL
vaquero de las nalgas
5/23/2009 9:04pm,
"At some point afterward he was one of the participants in a Jiujitsu demonstration for US President Ulysses S. Grant. We only mention this because including Americans in a story geared at an American audience is always a good strategy. Plus, Grant was probably drunk out of his goddamn mind which would explain why Jiujitsu didn't really catch on in the US until many years later."
Grant, however, redeems himself by getting 1000 badass points for winning the War between the States.
TheMarquis
6/06/2009 10:49am,
"Jiujitsu didn't really catch on in the US until many years later." - mind you There's aa couple of people thought some of the methods were a good idea....
BTW, has either Fairbairn, Applegate or both ever been given B.A.O.t.M. status?
Just checked the search function, it seems not....?
sssurely some mistake?!!
Mtripp
6/06/2009 11:00am,
It is interesting to note that this is a very small part of a larger movie on this subject. It was made in WW2, and was directed by the Great John Ford when he worked for the movie office of the Army.
TheMarquis
6/06/2009 11:51am,
It is interesting to note that this is a very small part of a larger movie on this subject. It was made in WW2, and was directed by the Great John Ford when he worked for the movie office of the Army.
Yeah, noticed that there's a few snippets on youtube - which all seem to be from the same film....
Sorry for the slight derailment of the thread... or at the very least a detour.
So, yeah
Jigoro Kano
badass... (do you like the smoothness of bringing the topic back there did you?)
TheLordHumungus
6/07/2009 11:42am,
"Jiujitsu didn't really catch on in the US until many years later." - mind you There's aa couple of people thought some of the methods were a good idea....
BTW, has either Fairbairn, Applegate or both ever been given B.A.O.t.M. status?
Just checked the search function, it seems not....?
sssurely some mistake?!!
I love the "gentle art of murder" quote.
Made me think of this:
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Dagon Akujin
6/07/2009 1:05pm,
I had to make my kids study inventors for the last few weeks of school (don't ask me why, wtf). The inventors all had to be from Asia. They had to pick from a list that included:
Only ONE FREAKING KID in all of 7th and 8th grade thought Kano was cool enough to do a project on. And Jaylin is a blackbelt in Choi Kwang Do or some bullshit, so he didn't even think Kano was a big deal (since obviously he could beat him up or something). I should've had our resident Judo blackbelt (the kindergarden teacher) come woop some ass.
Anyways, Jigoro Kano has to lose some major badass points for getting beaten by both Momofuku Ando and Daisuke Inoue.
Someone else made the point a few weeks ago that Kano wasn't just a badass, and wasn't just a major martial arts innovator ("Guys, I got an idea. What if we, um, stopped doing shitty drills all night?"); he was a pivotal figure in Japan's educational system. He worked with the school systems, he worked with the police, he worked with the government. He knew how to get things done.
Kano was also a diplomat and a member of the International Olympic Committee which is why Judo became an Olympic Sport.
blugularis
6/26/2009 8:33pm,
acutally B Lee was quoted as saying that judo was teh one sport that he tipped his hat to the most, that the players were genuine in their willingness and ability to mix it up, in a most real way. he even used a judo choke hold to 'beat" kareem abdul jabar in the game of death:eusa_shhh
Tom Kagan
6/27/2009 12:48am,
he even used a judo choke hold to 'beat" kareem abdul jabar in the game of death:eusa_shhh
Gee, and all this time I thought he beat Kareem by writing it into the script.
blugularis
6/27/2009 9:59am,
Gee, and all this time I thought he beat Kareem by writing it into the script.
:5oops:oh yes, but he wrote judo into the script!
he couldn't beat him, much of any other way...:laughing4
Tom Kagan
6/27/2009 7:59pm,
:5oops:oh yes, but he wrote judo into the script!
he couldn't beat him, much of any other way...:laughing4
So, if I understand you correctly, all that punching and kicking and that ridiculous schoolyard headlock was Bruce Lee's idea of Judo?
blugularis
6/27/2009 8:29pm,
So, if I understand you correctly, all that punching and kicking and that ridiculous schoolyard headlock was Bruce Lee's idea of Judo?
it is also can be seen on you tube
"that ridiculous schoolyard headlock," is a very effective triangle choke, although it usually takes longer to choke someone out with it. I used to use it, on a regular basis, learned it back in the early 70s, similar to the method I am going to put here, but I would use it from the "scarf hold," position, what you do is sit back/up and when he throws the punch at you, from the ground, with his right (say you are sitting on his right side, and he is on your right hip, you are sitting on the ground, he is laying on the ground). Anyway, you sucker him into throwing the right at you, you slip it, push on his right elbow wiht your left hand, tucking your head down along his arm/shoulder, wrap your right arm, around his neck, and then joint your hand together tight, and "squeeze", w/o a doubt, I haven not seen many could get out of this one, and the one time I did, was cause I had long hair, he got ahold of my hair in his hand, and managed to get my head back, was not a pretty picture, this fight was in the shower room of a swimming pool on the northwest side of town by the tracks, tile sucks to fight on, btw! don't even take long hair to a ground fight! here is the same choke, from the ground, bjj style:
found on the web, should be cited, but it is, in the body::virus:
How to Do an Arm Triangle Choke From the Guard Position in Basic Jiu Jitsu
Jiu jitsu's arm triangle choke is a deadly submission attack that, once locked in, is virtually impossible to escape from. Whether you're dealing with a careless enemy who gives you his arm or a practiced jiu jitsu veteran who needs to be tricked, the arm triangle choke disables any enemy when performed correctly.
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Jiu jitsu's arm triangle choke is a deadly submission attack that, once locked in, is virtually impossible… More (http://www.ehow.com/how_2212751_do-arm-triangle-choke-from.html) How to Do an Arm Triangle Choke From the Guard Position in Basic Jiu Jitsu
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Difficulty: Moderately Challenging
Instructions
Step 1
Throw your opponent's upper body towards the ground as he leans down on you to apply a choke by raising your hips up and towards your head. As you do so, push his offending elbow so that it slides off your body and plants on the floor and thereby exposes his arm for the choke.
Step 2
Reach around your opponent's head with your arm that's opposite to your opponent's exposed arm and grab the bicep of your other arm. Place your head tight against your opponent's exposed arm so she can't remove it.
Step 3
Place your free hand on top of your opponent's head to close the arm triangle choke. Rotate on your hips so they return to center and the roll slightly in the direction of your opponent. To apply the arm triangle choke, push down on your opponent's head and squeeze with your arms until he submits.
blugularis
6/27/2009 8:41pm,
So, if I understand you correctly, all that punching and kicking and that ridiculous schoolyard headlock was Bruce Lee's idea of Judo?
dude, my memory must be failing me, :eusa_thinbut hey, give me a break, I saw that fight when it came out (the movie), like 30 years ago,:clock: lol! and I remembered him choking him out in the end with the arm triangle choke, but it's not, it's in the middle, and the end is indeed, "and that ridiculous schoolyard headlock!?" WTF/ROFLMAO!
