Yes thats right. Sport/full contact fighters know more about zen than
traditionalists.

Traditionalists value tradition above all and fail to see that everything
changes anyway. They've forggoten that locking things into forms destroys their
adaptability. The "applications" of the forms are just bandaids, the mental
wound is still festering.

Sport fighters go and deal with reality as it is, without putting their notions
of what a fight should or should not look like. They groundfight because the
ground HAPPENS.

Instead of putting a barrier between themselves and that-which-is, sport
fighters live and thrive in the ever changing chaos of that-which-is.

Zen is about the human mind, spontaneous and ALIVE. Not trying to force reality
to be one way or the other. What an excercise in futility! Just go do it!

Want to be good at fighting? Fight! Sewing? Sew! eat, sleep, move your bowels,
zen is not complicated. Masters and students, such false dichotomys. Those who
cling to the idea of an infallible master are only fooling themselves.

Reality is right there in front of you! The art isn't in the performance! THE
ART IS THE DOING!

Remember, the word is not the thing itself.

I can firmly conclude that contact brings transcendence!

what do the dog brothers say, i think it's something like "Higher consciousness through harder contact". good motto

Hrm. Good call. You should have written an article.

Yeah, the dog brother's motto is pretty bitchen indeed.

good motto, but **** those sticks fucking hurt!

What is the sound of one nut riding?

Harder contact also leads to more concussions. I for one definitely agree that one can find more answers fighting, than meditating, but I do feel there is a non-physical aspect that must be explored, however the only way to explore that is through the physical. MMMMMMM malt liqour is good.

I do believe this to be true, well at least in present day. Its seems that if one rolls/spars etc to the point where it becomes natural movement a person can actually roll/spar etc with almost no actual effort in thought. I have been training in jiujitsu/grappling/ and to a lesser extent kickboxing for years and it seems, especially while rolling, I sometimes experience points where I seem not to think at all, and I put forth very little effort, while rolling/sparring far better than I do when my mind is full of thoughts of what to do next, as well as other clutter. The only problem is that I can't do this at will, and it happens quite randomly. My best guess is that it will only come more with time, and more intense training. I'm curious if anybody else has experienced this whether during rolling/sparring, running, etc....

The object of Zen faith is that one's own consciousness is inherent pure, undefiled by mistaken conceptions of the inherent existence of self and phenonima commonly refered to as ignorance.

TMA and sport fighting are equally useless when it comes to eliminating ignorance.

If you want to fight, fight.

If you want to be a Buddhist, be a Buddhist.

*whacks hedgehogey with his cane and throws him into a river*

I second that. Philosophy/religion and MA shouldn't mix beyond a personal level.

You can be a buddhist and a martial artist. You shouldn't be a buddhist martial artist.

Even on a personal level, the cultivation of compassion and wisdom in order to achieve liberation from cyclic existence for the sake of all sentient beings is somewhat at odds with beating the crap out of people.

Yup. Especially if you are hardcore buddhist.

So that brings up the ultimate question..how did a bunch of pacifist monks become kung-fu experts?

The answer? *drum roll* they didn't!

I think this is one of the STUPIDEST threads ever!


Look my bitches. This Sport vs whatever **** has got to stop.

Sport guys don't realize THEY ARE PLAYING A FUCKING GAME!

Old school guys don't see the benefits of sport.

But guess what:

WHO FUCKING CARES.

NONE OF YOU BITCHES ARE TURNING PRO SO WHAT DOES IT MATTER. AND IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO ROME THE STREETS PICKING FIGHTS THEN AGAIN STFU.

Asia:

As much as I appreciate a good-natured ribbing, I must take exception to your last remark.

Why isn't it THE stupidist thread ever?

The results aren't in form the STUPID THREAD PAGENT yet!:D