marcusdbrutus
1/01/2009 9:16pm,
CHEEEERS!!!! My neega!...and on that note...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do
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Zapruder
1/01/2009 9:20pm,
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Chicken and waffles now?
Chicken and waffles now?
marcusdbrutus
1/01/2009 9:29pm,
Chicken and waffles now?
Biiitch! You mah numbah one nigaa!
Biiitch! You mah numbah one nigaa!
avenger
1/01/2009 11:36pm,
hahaha. nigga gone fishin.
NJM
1/02/2009 12:16am,
This comes close but doesn't beat Dave Chapelle's Niggar Family skit.
danno
1/02/2009 3:42am,
I don't need to explain your stories because they're anecdotal evidence and therefore of zero value.
that's totally fine, though the main part of my question asked you how muslims who live in australia aren't doing daily suicide missions, since that is apparently the whole purpose of their religion.
If states like Iran develop nuclear weapons then it could potentially spell the end of western civilization.
ah, that's different. iran is a country. a group of people large and organised enough to form a nation and get some decent weapons. yes, they do pose a threat. perhaps not to me directly, but certainly indirectly. this is the kind of thing the world should really be talking more about.
but that's very different to the muslim girl who works at the local woolworths. she possibly thinks i'm a dirty kuffar who probably would rape her if she wasn't wearing a hijab, but i really don't care what she thinks. as long as she scans those baked bean cans nice and quick and doesn't leap over the counter screaming allah akbar, i'm happy for her to think and wear whatever she wants.
do you somehow see iran as the spearhead of the religion? that they represent all islam? if yes, you're still putting the cart before the horse imo.
they have their own interests, which don't neccessarily gel with those of their neighbours.
i will say this, however - it seems that the more fighting we do in the middle east, the more it galvanises solidarity amongst different terrorist groups. i've got nothing to back that up, but it seems that way.
If someone wants to say that Muslims kill people but so do motorbike accidents then there is really nothing to disagree with. Likewise if someone says Muslims kill people but that's less than the number killed by the genocidal fascist millitary regimes supported by the US. What I disagree with is two major fallacies that have permeated most discussion, which is that Islamic fundamentalists are an insignificant drop in an ocean of moderation and that the people who commit violence in the name of Islam aren't really motivated by the content of their beliefs.
Let's look at what the evidence says according to a polling on British Muslims;
has anyone done a poll on how many westerners would like to turn the middle east to glass? or even ban the religion in their own countries? or exile muslims? it seems like the same mentality to me, and it has allowed us to make some pretty awful decisions. since we definitely have the better weapons and capabilities, it's meant that we've caused more destruction than them and suffered many, many less casualties. of course, some of this can't be avoided if we want to look after our energy needs and whatnot.
but believe me, if we were being attacked by our muslim population from the inside out, i'd be the first to pick up a gun.
An attack on an Islamic state is an attack on Islam.
so when they attack each other is it like trying to divide by zero? or do they just cancel each other out and vanish into thin air?
All you have to do is look at the reaction to the Danish cartoons, or the release of Fitna, or the release of Submission in Islamic countries and by Muslims in the West. The fact that millions of people think that it's an issue worth protesting, let alone death threats demonstrate that it isn't a handful of nutcases but a sizable subculture within the Islamic community that view blasphemy as a real social problem. Even if one percent of Muslims in the world are sympathetic to Jihad that's still ten million people, roughly the same size as the population of Belgium. I think the actual percent is larger than one percent, it may be something to the tune of ten percent judging by the Pew Poll.
before when i asked you what you wanted, you said reform. but you also seem to think they aren't capable of reform because they follow their book to the letter. then you think that by calling a spade a spade, this will somehow... change their minds or something? i never really saw what the point of that was.
it's not adding up. if you want to ban certain religions, just say so.
that's totally fine, though the main part of my question asked you how muslims who live in australia aren't doing daily suicide missions, since that is apparently the whole purpose of their religion.
If states like Iran develop nuclear weapons then it could potentially spell the end of western civilization.
ah, that's different. iran is a country. a group of people large and organised enough to form a nation and get some decent weapons. yes, they do pose a threat. perhaps not to me directly, but certainly indirectly. this is the kind of thing the world should really be talking more about.
but that's very different to the muslim girl who works at the local woolworths. she possibly thinks i'm a dirty kuffar who probably would rape her if she wasn't wearing a hijab, but i really don't care what she thinks. as long as she scans those baked bean cans nice and quick and doesn't leap over the counter screaming allah akbar, i'm happy for her to think and wear whatever she wants.
do you somehow see iran as the spearhead of the religion? that they represent all islam? if yes, you're still putting the cart before the horse imo.
they have their own interests, which don't neccessarily gel with those of their neighbours.
i will say this, however - it seems that the more fighting we do in the middle east, the more it galvanises solidarity amongst different terrorist groups. i've got nothing to back that up, but it seems that way.
If someone wants to say that Muslims kill people but so do motorbike accidents then there is really nothing to disagree with. Likewise if someone says Muslims kill people but that's less than the number killed by the genocidal fascist millitary regimes supported by the US. What I disagree with is two major fallacies that have permeated most discussion, which is that Islamic fundamentalists are an insignificant drop in an ocean of moderation and that the people who commit violence in the name of Islam aren't really motivated by the content of their beliefs.
Let's look at what the evidence says according to a polling on British Muslims;
has anyone done a poll on how many westerners would like to turn the middle east to glass? or even ban the religion in their own countries? or exile muslims? it seems like the same mentality to me, and it has allowed us to make some pretty awful decisions. since we definitely have the better weapons and capabilities, it's meant that we've caused more destruction than them and suffered many, many less casualties. of course, some of this can't be avoided if we want to look after our energy needs and whatnot.
but believe me, if we were being attacked by our muslim population from the inside out, i'd be the first to pick up a gun.
An attack on an Islamic state is an attack on Islam.
so when they attack each other is it like trying to divide by zero? or do they just cancel each other out and vanish into thin air?
All you have to do is look at the reaction to the Danish cartoons, or the release of Fitna, or the release of Submission in Islamic countries and by Muslims in the West. The fact that millions of people think that it's an issue worth protesting, let alone death threats demonstrate that it isn't a handful of nutcases but a sizable subculture within the Islamic community that view blasphemy as a real social problem. Even if one percent of Muslims in the world are sympathetic to Jihad that's still ten million people, roughly the same size as the population of Belgium. I think the actual percent is larger than one percent, it may be something to the tune of ten percent judging by the Pew Poll.
before when i asked you what you wanted, you said reform. but you also seem to think they aren't capable of reform because they follow their book to the letter. then you think that by calling a spade a spade, this will somehow... change their minds or something? i never really saw what the point of that was.
it's not adding up. if you want to ban certain religions, just say so.
Virus
1/03/2009 12:18am,
that's totally fine, though the main part of my question asked you how muslims who live in australia aren't doing daily suicide missions, since that is apparently the whole purpose of their religion.
The same reasons Christians aren't hunting witches and burning heretics. Most Christians don't know or pretend the violent passages in the bible don't really mean what they say and view them as products of the time, mistranslations or something that has to be interpreted in some imaginary context of their choosing. Like what Ahmed does.
but that's very different to the muslim girl who works at the local woolworths. she possibly thinks i'm a dirty kuffar who probably would rape her if she wasn't wearing a hijab, but i really don't care what she thinks. as long as she scans those baked bean cans nice and quick and doesn't leap over the counter screaming allah akbar, i'm happy for her to think and wear whatever she wants.
So am I. Sort of, there are larger issues I have with the concept of faith, no matter how innocuous but I agree that there are more pressing matters, which are individuals that hold beliefs about martyrdom and jihad and may decide to act on them.
do you somehow see iran as the spearhead of the religion? that they represent all islam? if yes, you're still putting the cart before the horse imo.
I never said that Iran represented all Muslims, especially as Iran is majority Shia and other states in the region like Saudi Arabia are Sunni.
i will say this, however - it seems that the more fighting we do in the middle east, the more it galvanises solidarity amongst different terrorist groups. i've got nothing to back that up, but it seems that way.
Seems pretty true to me.
has anyone done a poll on how many westerners would like to turn the middle east to glass? or even ban the religion in their own countries? or exile muslims?
I understand that there have been some disturbing reports about anti-Muslim violence, vandalism and harassment, and that Australian culture has some pretty deeply rooted racism. But based on the Pew Poll it would appear that westerners are more tolerant of Muslims than they are of Christians and Jews.
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=24
before when i asked you what you wanted, you said reform. but you also seem to think they aren't capable of reform because they follow their book to the letter.
I think people are becoming better the world over, regardless of religious affiliation. But that doesn't mean this progress is happening at the same rate everywhere, or that this trend cannot be reversed. I think eventually, Islam will succumb to modernity and become like Christianity but it is false to assume that it is that way now. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment which drastically changed the way Christians conceptualize of their religion.
then you think that by calling a spade a spade, this will somehow... change their minds or something? i never really saw what the point of that was.
It won't change their minds in the slightest. That's probably a job for the moderates. They aren't going to listen to someone like me.
it's not adding up. if you want to ban certain religions, just say so.
I don't want any religion banned.
The same reasons Christians aren't hunting witches and burning heretics. Most Christians don't know or pretend the violent passages in the bible don't really mean what they say and view them as products of the time, mistranslations or something that has to be interpreted in some imaginary context of their choosing. Like what Ahmed does.
but that's very different to the muslim girl who works at the local woolworths. she possibly thinks i'm a dirty kuffar who probably would rape her if she wasn't wearing a hijab, but i really don't care what she thinks. as long as she scans those baked bean cans nice and quick and doesn't leap over the counter screaming allah akbar, i'm happy for her to think and wear whatever she wants.
So am I. Sort of, there are larger issues I have with the concept of faith, no matter how innocuous but I agree that there are more pressing matters, which are individuals that hold beliefs about martyrdom and jihad and may decide to act on them.
do you somehow see iran as the spearhead of the religion? that they represent all islam? if yes, you're still putting the cart before the horse imo.
I never said that Iran represented all Muslims, especially as Iran is majority Shia and other states in the region like Saudi Arabia are Sunni.
i will say this, however - it seems that the more fighting we do in the middle east, the more it galvanises solidarity amongst different terrorist groups. i've got nothing to back that up, but it seems that way.
Seems pretty true to me.
has anyone done a poll on how many westerners would like to turn the middle east to glass? or even ban the religion in their own countries? or exile muslims?
I understand that there have been some disturbing reports about anti-Muslim violence, vandalism and harassment, and that Australian culture has some pretty deeply rooted racism. But based on the Pew Poll it would appear that westerners are more tolerant of Muslims than they are of Christians and Jews.
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=24
before when i asked you what you wanted, you said reform. but you also seem to think they aren't capable of reform because they follow their book to the letter.
I think people are becoming better the world over, regardless of religious affiliation. But that doesn't mean this progress is happening at the same rate everywhere, or that this trend cannot be reversed. I think eventually, Islam will succumb to modernity and become like Christianity but it is false to assume that it is that way now. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment which drastically changed the way Christians conceptualize of their religion.
then you think that by calling a spade a spade, this will somehow... change their minds or something? i never really saw what the point of that was.
It won't change their minds in the slightest. That's probably a job for the moderates. They aren't going to listen to someone like me.
it's not adding up. if you want to ban certain religions, just say so.
I don't want any religion banned.
Virus
1/03/2009 12:25am,
The Koran on adultery;
24:2 The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.
So is this an endorsement of public floggings of adulterers or is it some sort of symbolic flogging with a piece of dental floss or something?
24:2 The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.
So is this an endorsement of public floggings of adulterers or is it some sort of symbolic flogging with a piece of dental floss or something?
Lily
1/03/2009 1:19am,
That's dependent on what the leaders of a religion interpret it to be Virus. Living in Sydney you'd be more than well aware of the former mufit Hilali who stirred up quite a bit of controversy with some of his public comments, views etc. I think a lot of the problem is that these leaders of religion are so out of touch with their people, brings with him ideas and ideals of a different culture and society and interprets the Koran in this manner.
I have 5 close Islamic female friends and funnily enough its the youngest one at 25 who is the only one to wear a hijab, openly preach about her religion and the only one of the five to be born in Australia. I think we need to do a lot more to understand the Islamic community here at least.
This is below the belt but we can't forget:
http://www.hyscience.com/Mohammed%20the%20bear.jpg
I have 5 close Islamic female friends and funnily enough its the youngest one at 25 who is the only one to wear a hijab, openly preach about her religion and the only one of the five to be born in Australia. I think we need to do a lot more to understand the Islamic community here at least.
This is below the belt but we can't forget:
http://www.hyscience.com/Mohammed%20the%20bear.jpg
danno
1/03/2009 3:36am,
The same reasons Christians aren't hunting witches and burning heretics. Most Christians don't know or pretend the violent passages in the bible don't really mean what they say and view them as products of the time, mistranslations or something that has to be interpreted in some imaginary context of their choosing. Like what Ahmed does.
...
I think people are becoming better the world over, regardless of religious affiliation. But that doesn't mean this progress is happening at the same rate everywhere, or that this trend cannot be reversed. I think eventually, Islam will succumb to modernity and become like Christianity but it is false to assume that it is that way now. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment which drastically changed the way Christians conceptualize of their religion.
yes. people adapt their beliefs. behaviour has to evolve and change with circumstance, otherwise you'll fail.
and yeah, the world appears to be becoming more secularly sensible over the past couple of centuries, though i think that since 9/11, christians and muslims have become slightly more zealous in the west.
the reaction was seriously overblown, and it's one of my little theories that people have mentally snapped into a kind of war mode. people choose sides and ideas with incredible conviction and talk a lot more about the afterlife and the wishes of their respective "space wizard".
lily gave what i think is a good example:
I have 5 close Islamic female friends and funnily enough its the youngest one at 25 who is the only one to wear a hijab, openly preach about her religion and the only one of the five to be born in Australia.
the youngest one has decided to wear the hijab. perhaps because, being the youngest during the events of 9/11 and the iraq invasion, she was the most impressionable? as far as i'm aware, it's become more common in australia to wear a hijab since these events.
so, war causes people to take sides and become more religious.
The statement, "There are no atheists in foxholes," is used to imply that many avowed atheists really do believe in God, and that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as when participating in warfare, the belief will surface, overwhelming the less substantial affectation of atheism.
but that's my theory anyways...
...
I think people are becoming better the world over, regardless of religious affiliation. But that doesn't mean this progress is happening at the same rate everywhere, or that this trend cannot be reversed. I think eventually, Islam will succumb to modernity and become like Christianity but it is false to assume that it is that way now. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment which drastically changed the way Christians conceptualize of their religion.
yes. people adapt their beliefs. behaviour has to evolve and change with circumstance, otherwise you'll fail.
and yeah, the world appears to be becoming more secularly sensible over the past couple of centuries, though i think that since 9/11, christians and muslims have become slightly more zealous in the west.
the reaction was seriously overblown, and it's one of my little theories that people have mentally snapped into a kind of war mode. people choose sides and ideas with incredible conviction and talk a lot more about the afterlife and the wishes of their respective "space wizard".
lily gave what i think is a good example:
I have 5 close Islamic female friends and funnily enough its the youngest one at 25 who is the only one to wear a hijab, openly preach about her religion and the only one of the five to be born in Australia.
the youngest one has decided to wear the hijab. perhaps because, being the youngest during the events of 9/11 and the iraq invasion, she was the most impressionable? as far as i'm aware, it's become more common in australia to wear a hijab since these events.
so, war causes people to take sides and become more religious.
The statement, "There are no atheists in foxholes," is used to imply that many avowed atheists really do believe in God, and that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as when participating in warfare, the belief will surface, overwhelming the less substantial affectation of atheism.
but that's my theory anyways...
danno
1/03/2009 3:44am,
So is this an endorsement of public floggings of adulterers or is it some sort of symbolic flogging with a piece of dental floss or something?
oh, come on. you made that up.
the ancient muslims LOVED having swingers parties. maybe they're talking about sexy body paint stripes?
oh, come on. you made that up.
the ancient muslims LOVED having swingers parties. maybe they're talking about sexy body paint stripes?
Virus
1/03/2009 6:27am,
the youngest one has decided to wear the hijab. perhaps because, being the youngest during the events of 9/11 and the iraq invasion, she was the most impressionable? as far as i'm aware, it's become more common in australia to wear a hijab since these events.
The Pew Poll on Muslim Americans supports this conclusion, that younger Muslims in the West are more religious and more supportive of suicide bombing. For US Muslims over 30, 18% believe that suicide bombing can be justified whereas for Muslims under 20, 31% believe suicide bombing is justified.
Source (56k warning. PDF file): http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf
Edit - More peals of wisdom from Islamic scholars;
http://au.YouTube - Saudi Author Expresses His Opinion About Westerners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpR1dLV8L4)
The Pew Poll on Muslim Americans supports this conclusion, that younger Muslims in the West are more religious and more supportive of suicide bombing. For US Muslims over 30, 18% believe that suicide bombing can be justified whereas for Muslims under 20, 31% believe suicide bombing is justified.
Source (56k warning. PDF file): http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf
Edit - More peals of wisdom from Islamic scholars;
http://au.YouTube - Saudi Author Expresses His Opinion About Westerners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpR1dLV8L4)
danno
1/03/2009 7:58am,
evidence that world events drive the current spate of religious extremism and not the other way around? to put it in simple terms. really, it seems like sort of a feedback loop.
danno
1/03/2009 8:17am,
YouTube - Chasers War - American's Opinion of Muslims (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfDdWV9IJbM)
YouTube - CNNNN Interview on Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neQsKWHrOQU)
YouTube - CNNNN Interview on Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neQsKWHrOQU)
Hedgehogey
1/03/2009 11:08am,
Question Virus: Do you think the Palestinian intifadas were a fundamentally religous phenomenom?
TEA
1/03/2009 11:57am,
The Koran on adultery;
So is this an endorsement of public floggings of adulterers or is it some sort of symbolic flogging with a piece of dental floss or something?
Well, it is a bit more moderate than the Bible's sentence of stoning for the same crime.
So is this an endorsement of public floggings of adulterers or is it some sort of symbolic flogging with a piece of dental floss or something?
Well, it is a bit more moderate than the Bible's sentence of stoning for the same crime.
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