I take my guy friends out to dinner on me all the time.

Men are not required to pay for anything. It's mostly a matter of guys trying to show that they can be a provider or whatever to try and get in a girls pants raising the bar for everyone else.

If guy a and guy b are equally physically attractive and charming and all that jazz, but guy b wants to split the dinner bll and guy a want to pick up the tab...guy a is the clear choice.

Personally I'd also suggest that it has a lot to do with the fact that men are generally the ones asking the girl out. If you ask someone out to dinner so that you can have their company and hope to develop something then it's pretty reasonable that you'd also be willing to pay for the dinner you suggested.Double post because you edited.

Again though, the fact that men are expected to do the asking out is a double standard. But i disgress. I go on the basis that if someone agrees to go out on a date with me, it's because they like ME, and want to spend time with me, not because they want some free dinner.

Also, you say men are not required to pay for anything, but's it's often expected, and you get put down if you don't.

I suppose if you're just being completely selfish, guy a is the clear choice.

I go on the basis that i'll pay for a woman's bill, if she gets back in the kitchen and cooks me dinner, and gives up voting. One backwards sexist view is as good as another.

EDIT: actually, if you'd like to take this further, could we PM, i don't want to murder this topic with discussion of rather unrelated stuff.

Finally a man with some sense, someone who clearly sees that paying for dinner is equivalent to surrendering all civil liberties. Perfect analogy.

Have you never had a woman buy you a drink before? Have you never bought a round for your buddies? I pick up the bill for my guy friends all the time, (I'm a guy by the way) and I've never considered them my property. Maybe I'm just absolutely daft.

Finally a man with some sense, someone who clearly sees that paying for dinner is equivalent to surrendering all civil liberties. Perfect analogy.

Have you never had a woman buy you a drink before? Have you never bought a round for your buddies? I pick up the bill for my guy friends all the time, (I'm a guy by the way) and I've never considered them my property. Maybe I'm just absolutely daft.I think you'll find it's an exageration used for comical purposes, to highlight the general social inequality of being expected to pay for a woman.

No, i have never had a woman buy me a drink.

Buying your friends a drink is different.

a) They don't expect you to buy them a drink
b) they don't expect you to regularly buy their drinks for you.
c) You didn't just meet your friends
d)There is no possibility of ulterior motives in buying your friends a drink

I don't a problem paying for a girl i'm seeing sometimes, just to be nice. In fact, i actually do it quite often, when i have the money. But it's when it's expected, it's a problem.

I remember my girlfriend invited me to her debs (prom). I paid for my ticket. Our friends gave me **** for not buying her ticket. Why would I buy her ticket? it's her debs!

....maybe i just have **** friends.


EDIT: ****, i've continued debating in this thread now.

I always hold doors for women.

OH NOES I AM EMASCULATED!

Again though, the fact that men are expected to do the asking out is a double standard.

Kind of but it's not without reason. These reasons could be biologically related or they could be purely sociological, most likely a bit of both as women are naturally attracted to confident guys and a confident guy is more likely to make the first move.




But i disgress. I go on the basis that if someone agrees to go out on a date with me, it's because they like ME, and want to spend time with me, not because they want some free dinner.

I've always thought of traditional style dates as being more a matter of mutually getting to know each other but I've never really done the datey thing. In general my impression from being asked out though is that guys are generally asking me out on the basis that they think I'm physically attractive rather then actually knowing anything about me for real.

In the case of two friends kind of starting to hook up I'd see it as more of a dutch thing. In the case of a guy asking a girl out whom he's basically just met based mostly on her attractiveness then I'd see it more as buying the chance to show her that maybe you're someone she'd like to practice making babies with.



Also, you say men are not required to pay for anything, but's it's often expected, and you get put down if you don't.

If the purpose of a date is primarily to determine whether someone is a person you'd like to have a relationship with then you've learned something about her views on relationships based on whether she expects you to pay for dinner and based on that perhaps you'll determine that you might not want a relationship with her after all.



I suppose if you're just being completely selfish, guy a is the clear choice.

Is it? It shows that he's more generous and that your company is more valuable to him and perhaps he makes more money then guy b and thus would make a better provider for a potential family if one is Long Term Relationship minded. He's just a better relationship choice. (Or at the very least is making an effort to pretend to be, which is something in and of itself.)

Oh, I get it now. You are describing, what I like to call "hoes." I pay for everything because it makes my penis larger, but I've never dated a girl that expected me to pay for everything. I've met these women before, but they are the exception not the rule. Most chicks are actually pretty cool. Hence why I owe so many of them so much money.

It's HER prom, I would of paid just because it would of made the night that much more special for her. You know, not having to worry about moneys. But I digress to each his own, I'm sick of going off topic on too many fuckin topics.

About the OP, yep, guess we are more equal then we thought.

does the whole "redhead receptor" also explain why they're such slooters?

How can you not love that there are those out there outraged over the social inequalities against men?

Tell us how bad it is being white while you're at it. And being rich in this country must suck.

Fucking douchebaggery.

LordHumungus: Show us the strength of your convictions. Withdraw from the society whose rules you hate so much. When you are posting from the trackless wilderness of Montana in front of your lean-to shack we will give some consideration to your opinion. Until then you are a hypocrite.

When confronted with the "we give birth" line, I'm reminded of some horrendously painfull shits I've taken throughout my life.

Impacted bowels hurts more then labor according to my aunt. She told me so while driving me to the emergency room for horribly impacted bowels.

Pain is not taking a **** for 3 weeks.

Impacted bowels hurts more then labor according to my aunt. She told me so while driving me to the emergency room for horribly impacted bowels.

Pain is not taking a **** for 3 weeks.

I hear you! My poop thread immediatley got the **** weasel stickie.

I've known several women who told me that passing kidney stones hurts far, far worse than giving birth. So keep hydrated, folks.

LordHumungus: Show us the strength of your convictions. Withdraw from the society whose rules you hate so much. When you are posting from the trackless wilderness of Montana in front of your lean-to shack we will give some consideration to your opinion. Until then you are a hypocrite.

I love that your answer to an unjust society is running away. Some of us don't find cowardice revolutionary. And who's "we"? Because your opinion means nothing to me. You're a status quo apologist, and your scorn is only a sign that I'm adequately radical.

Another love it or leave it idiot. Wheeeee!!!!

False dilemmas anyone? Hmmmm.

Women do that too...but they don't get put on the front line (unless i've been completely misinformed!)

Interesting that when feminists are fighting for "equal rights" and trying to break the glass ceiling, none of them ever argue about that?

Good old sexism alive and well....

Women aren't officially allowed on the frontline, but many end up there in a battle zone anyway and quite capable.

But yeah I don't believe women can bear pain more then men or vice versa. I think it varies on the person's body and how it is conditioned.