I'd give my number one useless vote to Bujinkan. No question at all.

My vote goes to the deadly DIM MAK

Number 1 most useless?

Okinawa-Te Karate.

Reasons (from personal experience):
A) McDojo+
B) Let mentally retarded (no I'm serious, not being offensive) person reach dan ranking and teach classes.
C) So points fighting oriented that they teach their students to punch with a loose fist because it makes you faster - after all, theres no contact, so why bother clenching the fist?
D) Senior (Blue/Brown belt) instructors in their 20s getting kicked and punched to hell and back by 13 and 14 year olds at their first class.

Pity they don't have a website to laugh at...

Second vote would be for TKD. Even half a world away from the USA, TKD sucks. My friend/sparring partner trained for 3 years in what was supposed to be non-sport orinted TKD. Took a year of Muay Thai before he could get rid of the crap technique he was taught and start doing some damage. I have lost count of how many ex-TKD people I have trained with who have left the style after cross training and finding out they couldn't compare with beginners at other clubs.
Lots of people mention the TKD/Korean Military connection. Well, from the 2 Korean (non-military) TKD exponents I have sparred fought/trained very different to non-Korean TKD. Much better and more power.

But the military thing is a non-starter. Its in another thread here regarding the US Marines I think, that in the modern military hand to hand is primarily taught as an agression and mindset building exercise. Military CQC is crap anyway - if it wasn't the instructors wouldn't all be studying everything else they could. Its a quick nasty system designed to give you a quick nasty mind set while stabbing people through the lung from behind. They always try and work hand to weapon - CQC knife fighting is another story (especially Spetsnaz). To sum up - if you are in a hand to hand situation in the military with no weapon and no mates there, you have fucked up bigtime.

TKD

TKD and WC

Iaido.

Kyushu - Jitsu

Originally posted by FormLess
My vote goes to the deadly DIM MAK

I concur.

WTF TKD and Bujinkan hands down

Hwarang-do sucks pretty bad too.

who resurected this thread?

No such thing as useless art, but there are training methods that are useless, take for example wing chun guys who train for speed and have no power whatsoever. Or take bjj without adding strikes to it, or the other way around.
But most useless martial art would be Wushu because its not even a martial art (But it does have san shou integrated into it).

So anyways, whatever.

Golf clap.

I don't like saying a style sucks but I've met the most lousy fighters and teachers in CMA and aikido.

First of all I dont believe you that you've destroyed wrestlers. Your full of shiit.

And second, EVERYONE knows that San Shou is NOT KUNG FU! EVERYONE! Its Muay Thai kickboxing with a sidekick and some wrestling. Try and convince me otherwise. Hell, try and convince Cung Le otherwise, at least HE admits it.


San Shou isn't really a seperate MA, it's a set of rules. It's different from MT in that elbows are usually banned, but throws are allowed.

I didnt want to take the time to read every single post so i dont know if this has been mentioned already. But one of the biggest things that makes BJJ superior to almost every other formalize fighting method is its method of sparring known as randori. And before anyone gets pissed let me just say that what i mean by superior i mean that just about any one can learn BJJ and very quickly become skilled in a realistic fight situation (multiple opponents isnt realistic, cause unless you are ki warrior, that is suicide) And the reason for that is when you spar in BJJ you are going at it with full strength, with a fully resisting opponent, so even though you may only know a few very basic moves, the fact that you can practice them using all of your strength and still not hurt anyone is where its genius is. I recall a few posts back someone talking about their style as being too lethal, but that is its downfall. i totally agree that gouging someones eyes out, or "rib crushing" would surely end a fight quick, but its one thing to just say you could do it, but as we all know nothing ever happens the way you want it to in a REAL fight situation. Especially if you have never practiced it on a resisting opponent. And part of practicing a movement is accualy apply the neccesarry pressure that you would in a real fight, not just practicing the movement. There is a difference between riding an excercise bike, and biking through offroad terrain. they look similar, but they are different.

and i trained in long fist and praying mantis for 5 years, ive been doing BJJ for 2 months and i can honestly say that if i were in a fight, i would stick to my 2 months of bjj.