Simply because I can I will let everyone in on a secret, the boy in the bottom picture that retardo posted is not missing a leg at all. He has two perfectly good ones to walk on.
I can tell because he has two fucking shoes in the picture and no one with one leg carries two damn shoes around.

It's always a little strange waving credentials around on the internet -- you never know exactly what kind of reprobate might be lurking somewhere. I vaguely recall that at some point there was a professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering at Cornell posting here.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what: According to engineering, something is more efficient when it is aligned properly. When something is misaligned, the forces in the physical system do not go where they should, resulting in lower efficiency. means. I am curious where in engineering this definition of efficiency comes from. Perhaps there is a citation to a book or article. It would be helpful.

Thanks,

Johnny

Re: Hithere

...and by "experience" - I repeatedly asked the instructors whether they literally meant there would be no reactionary force to the ground or if they meant something else. I rephrased the statement and asked again - they meant that physically, literally, there would be no reactionary force back to the ground.

Their instruction was that this was at "the high level" - sure, the level where you transcend physics.

I would guess you were talking to men who did not know physics well enough to discuss the topic, and they probably felt you were trying to "get" them.

I would again ask for more definition. What do you mean, or what are you thinking of, when you say "reactionary force on the ground".



Do you know where western understanding of the human body stems from?

Torture. Back in the day they cut people up for torture. Those torturers wrote everything down and one day someone thought about using the knowledge for healing.

There is a reason most western medicine involves knives and cutting. Western Medicine is based on cutting pieces off of people to make them scream.



There is a modern edifice of information on the human body in relation to performance, exercise, muscular action and endurance - the actual biology of the human body is uncovered more every waking minute of the day as it is constantly being studied. Things like circulation(blood), action potential(muscles), bone density (skeleton) - all of these have appropriate models and understanding which has been vigorously tested in almost every way possible to the human imagination - and you don't think western science has a deep understanding of the human body?

There are many different "deep understandings of the human body". From the western literature I have been exposed to, western medicine does not have the deep understanding I am talking about.



Because I think that western understanding eclipses eastern understanding.

It does. In some areas.



In fact, if there is merit to eastern practices (acupuncture etc), it is through western sciences methods that those merits will be searched for, found, discussed and studied.

I mean, lets not even bring up how much western science has owned disease and illness.

Petered out with no point and nothing to say. Too bad. Try again.

Simply because I can I will let everyone in on a secret, the boy in the bottom picture that retardo posted is not missing a leg at all. He has two perfectly good ones to walk on.
I can tell because he has two fucking shoes in the picture and no one with one leg carries two damn shoes around.

I did not say his leg was cut off. I asked which leg was missing in the picture. In the picture, his left leg is not visible.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what: According to engineering, something is more efficient when it is aligned properly. When something is misaligned, the forces in the physical system do not go where they should, resulting in lower efficiency. means. I am curious where in engineering this definition of efficiency comes from. Perhaps there is a citation to a book or article. It would be helpful.

Thanks,

Johnny
I am not current enough on physics to offer an example text that would help you.

Efficiency in the transmission of forces is pretty much what you think it is. It is easiest to use a metaphor.

Have you ever seen a water canal? The canal is made out of concrete or whatever and water flows through it for drainage or to water a farm or something. The canal has a certain volume or cross section. The shape of the canal has a certain shape.

Flowing water is like a physical force. A physical force is something that can cause some kind of observable effect in an object. Flowing water is like a physical force, because if water hits some object, it will push the object out of the way if it can. The physical force of the water changes the object that the water is pushing.

The idea of efficieny means how much you get out of what you put in. In terms of money, if someone gave you 100 dollars and you gave them 50 back, you could say that was 50% efficiency. They put in 100, but they only got back 50.

In the example of the water flowing through the canal, 100% efficiency would be if whatever amount of water is put in the top of the canal, comes out at the bottom of the canal. If you put 1000 gallons in the canal at the top, it flows through the canal to the bottom, and you collect 1000 gallons.

A canal used for farm irrigation has gates in it. When the gates are opened, water from the canal goes through the hole into the fields to water the crops. This represents inefficiency.

If you put in 1000 gallons of water at the top of the canal, because the gate is open to water the field, maybe 200 gallons go to the field, and you can only collect 800 gallons at the bottom of the canal. So that would be 80% efficiency.
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The canal is like the human body, and the water is like physical forces. A misalignment of the body would be like an open canal gate. Let's say you generate 1000 pounds of force inside of your body. You want that force to go to your fist, then into someones face.

According to the way the human body is designed, there is a particular way to move your body and hold your arm and hand, that will deliver 100% of your power to your fist. All 1000 pounds of force go into the opponent.

But if your body is not aligned properly, according to the design of the human body, the misalignment is like the canal gate. Maybe 800 pounds of force goes to your fist, but the other 200 pounds of force maybe go to your liver. You don't have to be a doctor to think that 200 pounds of force on your liver would make it hurt.

Physics and science are useful to a fighter, because they can help him understand what is going on when unexpected things happen in training.

In the example above, lets say the fighter does not know about physics and body alignment. He goes to the gym and punches the bag. Then a week later he goes to the doctor with stomach pain. The doctor says he has liver trouble.

Because western doctors don't believe in Chinese medicine, they would never think of the stuff I just said. Because the fighter does not know about body alignment and physics, he would never understand that when he was at the gym punching the bag, because his body was out of alignment, it was like every time he punched the bag, he really punched himself in the liver. 800 pounds of force go to the bag, but 200 pounds of force go through the misaligned body to the liver.

You know what the bag does when you hit it. It jumps around and makes loud sounds from the physical force your hand delivers to it. Just think what your liver must be doing, if your body was misaligned and you were punching your liver everytime you punched the bag.

HiThere, do you live in Sydney?

So...do you have any legit. scientific studies to back what you just said?

I am not current enough on physics to offer an example text that would help you.

Efficiency in the transmission of forces is pretty much what you think it is. It is easiest to use a metaphor.

Have you ever seen a water canal? The canal is made out of concrete or whatever and water flows through it for drainage or to water a farm or something. The canal has a certain volume or cross section. The shape of the canal has a certain shape.

Flowing water is like a physical force. A physical force is something that can cause some kind of observable effect in an object. Flowing water is like a physical force, because if water hits some object, it will push the object out of the way if it can. The physical force of the water changes the object that the water is pushing.

The idea of efficieny means how much you get out of what you put in. In terms of money, if someone gave you 100 dollars and you gave them 50 back, you could say that was 50% efficiency. They put in 100, but they only got back 50.

In the example of the water flowing through the canal, 100% efficiency would be if whatever amount of water is put in the top of the canal, comes out at the bottom of the canal. If you put 1000 gallons in the canal at the top, it flows through the canal to the bottom, and you collect 1000 gallons.

A canal used for farm irrigation has gates in it. When the gates are opened, water from the canal goes through the hole into the fields to water the crops. This represents inefficiency.

If you put in 1000 gallons of water at the top of the canal, because the gate is open to water the field, maybe 200 gallons go to the field, and you can only collect 800 gallons at the bottom of the canal. So that would be 80% efficiency.
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The canal is like the human body, and the water is like physical forces. A misalignment of the body would be like an open canal gate. Let's say you generate 1000 pounds of force inside of your body. You want that force to go to your fist, then into someones face.

According to the way the human body is designed, there is a particular way to move your body and hold your arm and hand, that will deliver 100% of your power to your fist. All 1000 pounds of force go into the opponent.

But if your body is not aligned properly, according to the design of the human body, the misalignment is like the canal gate. Maybe 800 pounds of force goes to your fist, but the other 200 pounds of force maybe go to your liver. You don't have to be a doctor to think that 200 pounds of force on your liver would make it hurt.

Physics and science are useful to a fighter, because they can help him understand what is going on when unexpected things happen in training.

In the example above, lets say the fighter does not know about physics and body alignment. He goes to the gym and punches the bag. Then a week later he goes to the doctor with stomach pain. The doctor says he has liver trouble.

Because western doctors don't believe in Chinese medicine, they would never think of the stuff I just said. Because the fighter does not know about body alignment and physics, he would never understand that when he was at the gym punching the bag, because his body was out of alignment, it was like every time he punched the bag, he really punched himself in the liver. 800 pounds of force go to the bag, but 200 pounds of force go through the misaligned body to the liver.

You know what the bag does when you hit it. It jumps around and makes loud sounds from the physical force your hand delivers to it. Just think what your liver must be doing, if your body was misaligned and you were punching your liver everytime you punched the bag.

so exactly what are you implying here? That wing chun knows the proper way to align yourself? Or is that exclusive to CMA or what?

I get the efficiency metaphor and that long explanation for body mechanics, but how does this play out for Wing chun as a system?

I speak sloppy because I do not respect my audience.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa................ ...

So. all of your websites, posts, book and video are all bullshit.

Thanks for the admission.

HiThere, do you live in Sydney?

OMG. i really, really hope so.

and if he does, we should invite him to the next throwdown to show us his stuff. and i mean that in the friendliest way possible.

I did not say his leg was cut off. I asked which leg was missing in the picture. In the picture, his left leg is not visible.

Yes, the answer is still that neither leg is "missing". One leg is obscured by a robe. Precision of language is important. If you had a better grasp of language you might have more success communicating your ideas.

As an additional aside your obsession with all things Eastern and Mystic to the point of ignoring the massive amount of actual good that Western methods have done is suggesting that you are insane. Eastern medicine has eliminated no diseases in the last 200 years. Western medicine was eliminated dozens and reduced casualties from the rest across the board. Western medical practices are demonstrably more effective than eastern ones.

so exactly what are you implying here? That wing chun knows the proper way to align yourself? Or is that exclusive to CMA or what?

I get the efficiency metaphor and that long explanation for body mechanics, but how does this play out for Wing chun as a system?

I feel you pulled in Wing Chun from some other reply and attached it to this post, which is really confusing. I don't really know what you are asking.

What if I said the practice of Wing Chun would tend to make a human body more aligned? Is that what you want to hear?

If a human being practices Wing Chun, because of the way the system is designed, the practice will tend to straighten out their body into it's proper alignment. I do not believe boxing or any other western fighting system does that. I won't swear to it, but I don't believe they do.

So if you practiced western fighting arts, they are based on someone walking in with a perfectly aligned body, then teaching them to fight. Most people are not perfectly aligned, so they would learn to do that western fighting system with their crooked body.

The result would be something like I described above. When the person punches a bag, 80% of the punch goes to the bag, but 20% is going somewhere inside of their body and doing something unhealthy.

Demonstration please? With all of your vast knowledge you must have long since achieved perfect alignment of your body. With that in mind you should be able to deliver 100%. Since you spend so much time involved in scientific pursuits I'm sure you have access to a force meter of some kind which will display the Lbs/Sqin of your punch. Then we just need your height and weight and we'll grab a few dozen other people of the same build and see if we can compare force numbers. That should quickly determine if you are even close to correct or not. This whole argument could be wrapped up in a couple of weeks.

Arhetton,

According to the way you write, and your use of scientific methods and using words like "tensegrity", I am guessing you are a sophomore/junior in mechanical engineering somewhere. I find your article interesting and am waiting for part 2. I would like to know your assumptions you are making on the human body. How are you treating the skeletal and muscular systems? Are you taking fluid mechanics into consideration to simulate blood flow? Will the blood be treated as a newtonian or non-newtonian? What about converting you body's chemical energy and the BTU's that this body will generate? Are they negligible effects? Just curious.

HiThere- As we've had amicable exchanges before, I hope you'll hear me out.

2. Please don't go away, you give this site a reason to exist. If you didn't bring these arguments an admin would have to create a sock puppet and pretend to really believe this way. However, you might want to vent your spleen over here: http://antimma.com/forums/index.php Ask for Grandfist, tell him "MMA Sucks." I think you'll love it there.

Allow me to give myself a "Seach Function Noob." Upon searching the posts I realized to whom I was talking.

HiThere/Happeh/Jalon, please add me to the list of people who think you are batshit crazy. I repeat my advice to go to the above quoted forum. Tell them I said you are full of **** and they'll welcome you with open arms. Go there and stay there.

Too much hate and arguing, not enough martial arts.