We don't need no stinking grammar, we have math!

Math is all, math is the singularity at the beginning and the end, if god existed his language would be math.

Knock at door, excuse me, Uh, yes officer. What, I was not ranting! Yes! I am her alone! With my computer! NO! I! AM! NOT! SHOUTING!! No, I don't know when I had my last shower. NO! NO! NO! I will not take my medicine! It makes me FUZZY! NO MATHS WHEN FUZZY! Please take your hands off me. NO! I WON'T GO!!! HELP!!!!

:pancakebu :pancakebu :pancakebu


That is why the Mandelbrot set was called the thumb print of God.

Daanish keeps bringing up how many good Muslims he knows as proof of how Islam is a civilized religion. (Didn't he just say "don't judge the religion by its adherents."?) I think this extends from a misunderstanding of the difference between criticizing Islam and criticizing Muslims. Most of the things I've said have to do with criticizing Islam.

If I was criticizing Muslims, I'd probably say something like "Muslims are deranged because they believe the Koran is a magic book and the best book ever written on any subject and was authored by a guy who lived in a cave ans spoke to an invisible space wizard and rode on a magical flying horse."

It's wrong because the punishment is worse than the crime. Just look at how ridiculous what you said is. Hey if you're against cutting off people's balls for shoplifting then just don't shoplift duh!

I disagree!! Cheating on your life partner... someone youve made a vow to love and cherish for the rest of your life, who you want to start a family... its a way of becoming whole... someone who cheats on their loved one is one of the lowest forms of a human being in my opinion

Daanish keeps bringing up how many good Muslims he knows as proof of how Islam is a civilized religion. (Didn't he just say "don't judge the religion by its adherents."?) I think this extends from a misunderstanding of the difference between criticizing Islam and criticizing Muslims. Most of the things I've said have to do with criticizing Islam.

If I was criticizing Muslims, I'd probably say something like "Muslims are deranged because they believe the Koran is a magic book and the best book ever written on any subject and was authored by a guy who lived in a cave ans spoke to an invisible space wizard and rode on a magical flying horse."

Islam is a civilised religion... its just implemented very badly... like Tyrsmann said... blame the person who threw the rock... not the rock itself :).

Either way man... everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I honestly think if you studied the religion a bit more youd see how great the religion is.

Peace

Stalinism is an ideology of peace. It was just implemented poorly. Much of it gets lost in translation from Russian. If you studied it more, using translator's notes that provide the right historical context, you'd see how great it is.

I disagree!! Cheating on your life partner... someone youve made a vow to love and cherish for the rest of your life, who you want to start a family... its a way of becoming whole... someone who cheats on their loved one is one of the lowest forms of a human being in my opinion


There are many variables In marriage and many variables that can drive two people with a strong emotional attachment apart. (If one even existed in the first place)* Whether or not one or both parties in a marriage have cheated why does it require the punishment from an external organisation? At most, cheating and almost any marriage breakup will affect the couple involved and immediate family directly. It is not anyone elses business, unless legal assistance is requested for any division of assets, and counselling is required. Of course these roles should be fufilled by neutral parties. I fail to see why a religious or secular court needs to interviene with any form of punishment, especially if the belief is that God will judge both parties anyway.


*Think aranged marriages, forced marriages, people who got married to young, marriages of conviniance, Violent or abusive marriages

There are many variables In marriage and many variables that can drive two people with a strong emotional attachment apart. (If one even existed in the first place)* Whether or not one or both parties in a marriage have cheated why does it require the punishment from an external organisation? At most, cheating and almost any marriage breakup will affect the couple involved and immediate family directly. It is not anyone elses business, unless legal assistance is requested for any division of assets, and counselling is required. Of course these roles should be fufilled by neutral parties. I fail to see why a religious or secular court needs to interviene with any form of punishment, especially if the belief is that God will judge both parties anyway.


*Think aranged marriages, forced marriages, people who got married to young, marriages of conviniance, Violent or abusive marriages

No laws, regardless of how they're written, will ever put an end to adultery. A debate about which anti-adultery laws is just plain silly, whether it's mandated by church or state.

The link I kept posting that nobody decided to read included this gem:

"I described how adultery is handled among the Alawa of Australia. If you have the misfortune to fall in love with another man's wife or another woman's husband, the law doesn't say, "This is prohibited and may not go forward." It says, "If you want your love to go forward, here's what you must do to make things right with all parties and to see to it that marriage isn't cheapened in the eyes of our children." It's a remarkably successful process. What makes it even more remarkable is the fact that it wasn't worked out in any legislature or by any committee. It's another gift of natural selection. Over countless generations of testing, no better way of handling adultery has been found or even conceivably could be found, because--behold!--it works! It does just what the Alawa want it to do, and absolutely no one tries to evade it. Even adulterers don't try to evade it--that's how well it works." -Daniel Quinn

from http://www.ishmael.org/Education/Writings/southwestern.shtml

There are many variables In marriage and many variables that can drive two people with a strong emotional attachment apart. (If one even existed in the first place)* Whether or not one or both parties in a marriage have cheated why does it require the punishment from an external organisation? At most, cheating and almost any marriage breakup will affect the couple involved and immediate family directly. It is not anyone elses business, unless legal assistance is requested for any division of assets, and counselling is required. Of course these roles should be fufilled by neutral parties. I fail to see why a religious or secular court needs to interviene with any form of punishment, especially if the belief is that God will judge both parties anyway.


*Think aranged marriages, forced marriages, people who got married to young, marriages of conviniance, Violent or abusive marriages

The concept of Islam is having a society which functions as a collective, things such as adultery and fornication disrupt the harmony of such a society. God will judge after death... but that gets in the way of having a stable, well worked society on earth. Thats the theory behind it. So its a society where everyone lives by a high moral code.

http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/dino_with_adam.jpg

After reading this thread all I have to say is this:

From the next page on that website, entitled What was Life With Dinosaurs Like, at First? (http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-where4.html)


All of the animals were friendly and under man's control. None of the animals ate meat or killed. God provided the plants and seeds with all the vitamins people and animals needed. There was no sin, no death or evil or disease.
Ahem.....
Arguments have been put forth by experts about how much of a ***** the T-rex was, but there's no denying that this guy (http://bp1.blogger.com/_0LlKkQ7nRJI/R5ezPqJ2gsI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/qDYHwc2vESA/s1600-h/velociraptor.jpg) would like to respectfully call bullshit on that one.

Daan, I have another question for you. Which countries adopted Islam by free choice?

Ooh, that's a good one.

This documentary is the bees knees, I saw this in high school...it went well with the mind expanders.

http://refines.blogspot.com/2007/07/mandelbrot-set-thumbprint-of-god.html

I disagree!! Cheating on your life partner... someone youve made a vow to love and cherish for the rest of your life, who you want to start a family... its a way of becoming whole... someone who cheats on their loved one is one of the lowest forms of a human being in my opinion

So there you have it folks. The good, moderate Muslim Daanish who preaches the "religion of peace" by his own words has justified public floggings, amputations and decapitations. You aren't so different from the religious dickheads you decry as perverting your religion.

If fanaticism is itself to blame then why aren't the most fanatical Jainists flogging homosexuals and hijacking planes? Becuase the core tenet of Jainism is never harm a living thing under any circumstances. The moderate Jains are people who go about their daily business, don't eat meat and prefer to put a spider outside than spray it with bug-spray. The hard Jainists that become monks sweep the floor in front of them before they walk to avoid stepping on insects and they run hospitals for injured animals. The more fanatical you go down the Jainism path, the less violent you get.

So it isn't fanaticism. If it was then we would find equal numbers of Jainist suicide bombers, Buddhist terrorists and New Thought Universalists declaring Fatwahs against people who criticize them.


Hmm,:eusa_eh:

Ya'know Virus that is honestly a good point.
It is true that certain religions are more vulnerable to abuse then others.
But I would disagree that Islam or Christianity has bigotry at it's core.

Hmm,:eusa_eh:

Ya'know Virus that is honestly a good point.
It is true that certain religions are more vulnerable to abuse then others.
But I would disagree that Islam or Christianity has bigotry at it's core.

Have you read what's in the foundational texts? If it was 100% love & peace what grounds would the "abusers" have to distort th3 r34l religion? You think they don't read the bible and koran?

Let's just try a little experiment and find something written by a religious bigot and see why he thinks what he does. This guy here http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1302#

He's used the following bible passages as justification:

Corinthians 6:9


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Leviticus 18:22


Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Leviticus 20:13


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Deuteronomy 23:17


There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.


Genesis 19:4-8


But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

This last story is interesting. Lot and a bunch of guys were staying at a village and a roving gang of ass-bandits starts banging on the door in the middle of the night. Lot gets up and asks who it is. "Ass bandits" they reply. "What do you want?" asks Lot. "We want to sell you encyclopedias. We're ass bandits, what do you think we want?" Lot says that ass-banditry is frowned upon by God so he offers up his daughters to be raped by them instead. What a fucking stupid book.

So that's five direct quotes from the bible. The whole section where he justifies homophobic bigotry is bible references and stories. There's nothing else but that. So he's put his justification for bigotry right on the table. He's offered the quotes and we have confirmed that the quotes say what he says they do.

And to think that the moderates are really puzzled as to why their fundamentalist brethren are so bigoted and backwards. They believe the bible is a magic book and it says the sort of things outlined above. Of course they are going to be bigots.

Edit: Passages confirmed with http://www.biblegateway.com/