Just saw the fight online

Not sure if we allowed to promote other sites but they are up on mmascraps . com

Great fight period, one of the best I have seen all year.

What I noticed was Muira using Judo as a defense against Condit's clinch, in that by clinching Condit was opening himself up for underhooks and hip throws.

I just think this is a good example of Judo as a counter. Which I believe is Judo's main attribute in mma - that of counter attacks rather than purely offensive (not that there aren't great examples of Judo offense but I notice throws IMO come as counters)

Yup. I only saw the first three rounds but every time they clinched Miura got a throw.

Great display of Judo, especially demonstrating the advantage a shorter fighter has in regards to their lower hips, something all short fighters should consider.

I watched this fight when it was first broadcast and Miura basically ran a Judo clinic on Condit. One of the best fights I've ever seen in the WEC, up to that fight Condit had been basically running through the competition. I was really pulling for Miura to get the win.

Judo has always been the anti-clinch, if we were allowed to use their throws in MT fights we'd have fighters hitting the canvas every single clinch instead of the just occasionally when someone gets a decent pinch grip and spins (technically judo but is allowed). I wish judo was taught no-gi.

I wish judo was taught no-gi.
Greco, i believe Greco is what your looking for

Yeah but judo is cooler (asianophile at heart).

Judo has always been the anti-clinch, if we were allowed to use their throws in MT fights we'd have fighters hitting the canvas every single clinch instead of the just occasionally when someone gets a decent pinch grip and spins (technically judo but is allowed). I wish judo was taught no-gi.

Is that bringing your arms over the clinch and wrapping them up while spinning and tripping them (tai o toshi)

Because ever since Silva dismantled Franklin I have thought that would be a good defense against such a strong clinch

Despite being a Judo nutrider, I feel compelled to point out that this fight also shows some of Judo's problems in MMA, namely the risk of getting your back taken after a failed throw and the lack of finishes from dominant positions.

Despite being a Judo nutrider, I feel compelled to point out that this fight also shows some of Judo's problems in MMA, namely the risk of getting your back taken after a failed throw and the lack of finishes from dominant positions.

I think that was more to exhaustion

The best, most technical fight I've ever seen. Phenomenal performance by both fighters.

Is that bringing your arms over the clinch and wrapping them up while spinning and tripping them (tai o toshi)

Because ever since Silva dismantled Franklin I have thought that would be a good defense against such a strong clinch

There is no leg tripping involved (pretty sure the ref would pounce on you if you pulled one of them in MT). This link explains it better than i can, the clinch is my weakest area of MT easily but even i can pull this throw off.

http://www.geocities.com/global_training_report/clinch

Scroll down to 2. Pinch Grip.

I love how that the commentators were saying that Condit (im paraphrasing here) was prepared or had an answer to Muira's Judo, then its bam, on the deck

Greco, i believe Greco is what your looking for

Well, no not really.

When you can't attack the legs you remove so many judo throws and all the trips and many balance breakers.
Obviously if you work judo and Greco-Roman you can work your greco upper body for grips and control and combine your hip movement and leg attacks but it still leaves you with problems on entries.

Despite being a Judo nutrider, I feel compelled to point out that this fight also shows some of Judo's problems in MMA, namely the risk of getting your back taken after a failed throw and the lack of finishes from dominant positions.
I feel this post is made out of a fear of sounding like a douchebag nutrider, but don't fight it!

Agree with Der on the fatigue for the not finishing, tho' anyone who's ever been to a Boston Throwdown in the last year or so can attribute to the liability of getting your back taken after a throw (I never figured out how to stop it all day long, which was frustrating). However, I am FAR from even a mediocre level Judo player so it's also very highly possible that it was just my inadequacy.

In any case, thanks VS and WEC for the show. My brother nearly popped my eardrum screaming "GET OVER HERE!!! IT'S A JUUUUUUUUUUDO DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE" I'd love to check out some of Muira's other fights and hope he comes back even stronger (If anything he lost to being tired and too aggressive with his strikes)

Although it was a great fight i found Muira's performance to be somewhat frustrating.

At times he was brilliant (Throws & some great escapes on the ground) but i also felt he surrendered being in a dominant position too easily on several occassions.