^ You don't have to be religious to believe abortion is wrong.


I agree with Errant.

STFU noob.

Mohamed was a paedo who married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 9 or ten. Fucking beast.

^ You don't have to be religious to believe abortion is wrong.



Not the point of my contention. My point is that if you believe in souls then it necessitates abortion being wrong.

I'm saying that your contention is loaded and implies that if you're atheist you should be for abortion, which I think a few natural rights philosophers would object to.

My contention about your contention of my contention is that some beliefs entail subsequent beliefs when the initial beliefs are taken to be true. Any "loading" of analogous examples is irrelevant. If you want to make a point about some secularists being opposed to abortion then it has been noted.

Mohamed was a paedo who married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 9 or ten. Fucking beast.Yeah, blah blah. I could name any number of historical figures who have done things that were as bad. Raping, pillaging, paedophilia, murder, torture, genocide, take your fucking pick. He lived in a different time and a different culture, so who gives a ****....

We should be dealing with the people who want to do these things now, not wringing our hands over the actions of a man who died a thousand fucking years ago.

Not the point of my contention. My point is that if you believe in souls then it necessitates abortion being wrong.
Not really. I once met a tool on the internet who thought that souls only descended into mortal bodies of the babies after the parents decided whether or not they wanted to have abortion. Yes, people who think that way actually exist...

Of course if you were set on having your cake and eating it too then there's no limit of nonsense you could make up.

PS: I'd like to add that I believe in abortion for kids that have already been born.

Mohamed was a paedo who married a 9 year old and fucked her when she was 9 or ten. Fucking beast.

Turns out life wasn't actually completely identical to how it is today, back in Mohammed's time, a good 1.4 thousand years ago. Did you skip every history class ever when you grew up?

Yeah, blah blah. I could name any number of historical figures who have done things that were as bad. Raping, pillaging, paedophilia, murder, torture, genocide, take your fucking pick. He lived in a different time and a different culture, so who gives a ****....

We should be dealing with the people who want to do these things now, not wringing our hands over the actions of a man who died a thousand fucking years ago.

How many of them are looked on as father figure, prophet and example for a major world religion. Wanker.

Turns out life wasn't actually completely identical to how it is today, back in Mohammed's time, a good 1.4 thousand years ago. Did you skip every history class ever when you grew up?
See above. Also life isn't identical today to how it was back in Mohammed's time, a good 1.4 thousand years ago. Do you think his life being held as rellevant by a large number of people today may have something to do with his life being looked at by reasonable modern day standards?

All forms of religion that are being interpreted in a strict concrete way are signs of ignorance.
Dumb people are bound to interpretate their religion in a strict way, you see it in every religion.
For those people religion is in fact an opium.

But every religion has two sides: the exterior side (institutions, rules, hierarchy rituals) and a more elusive interior side (mysticism ).
The last one takes a lot of time and hard thinking to figure out what exactly is said by the prophet/enlightened one etc. so not too much people chose that option.

The holy books are full of symbolism and methaphores trying to convey devine law to humans in an understandeble manner.
When taken literally those methaphores or hints become superhuman standards that are impossible to meet, and corruption is inevidable.

Christians had their crusades and inquisitions, Muslims have their jihad and suicides and sometimes inhuman treatment of women and minorities, Jews same story, budhists get kicked out of their countries by china or put their daughters up as whores to make an extra buck etc etc.

This is ofcourse black and white, but what im trying to say is, there's shitty things about every culture and religion because of people staring at the finger instead of at the moon.

Every time I read the thread title I want to tell the OP he's a fucking retard.

Yeah, blah blah. I could name any number of historical figures who have done things that were as bad. Raping, pillaging, paedophilia, murder, torture, genocide, take your fucking pick. He lived in a different time and a different culture, so who gives a ****....

We should be dealing with the people who want to do these things now, not wringing our hands over the actions of a man who died a thousand fucking years ago.

Frankly, I cannot agree that procreation has ever been acceptable in a pre-pubescent.

Special pleading :eusa_thin (as above) changes nothing.

If you think I'm defending it then you need to read again, so does douglas, that'd be like defending slavery because more than a few of the founding fathers (a bunch of men who are revered religiously in the U.S.) were plantation owners.

All forms of religion that are being interpreted in a strict concrete way are signs of ignorance.
Dumb people are bound to interpretate their religion in a strict way, you see it in every religion.
For those people religion is in fact an opium.

But every religion has two sides: the exterior side (institutions, rules, hierarchy rituals) and a more elusive interior side (mysticism ).
The last one takes a lot of time and hard thinking to figure out what exactly is said by the prophet/enlightened one etc. so not too much people chose that option.

The holy books are full of symbolism and methaphores trying to convey devine law to humans in an understandeble manner.
When taken literally those methaphores or hints become superhuman standards that are impossible to meet, and corruption is inevidable.

Christians had their crusades and inquisitions, Muslims have their jihad and suicides and sometimes inhuman treatment of women and minorities, Jews same story, budhists get kicked out of their countries by china or put their daughters up as whores to make an extra buck etc etc.

This is ofcourse black and white, but what im trying to say is, there's shitty things about every culture and religion because of people staring at the finger instead of at the moon.Holy Crap Lebell!!

That was pretty deep!

Are you feeling all right?