Can't actually watch the fights, since I don't have the extra $ to watch the PPV. Results/bouts info from the Sherdog PBP (spoilers again): http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=13454.

Started this thread to say, basically, that I guess Raymond Daniels isn't the second coming of Cung Le...not yet anyway. The fight sounded ridiculously 1-sided and exposed Daniels' lack of groundgame. Anyone see the fight? Did it look as dominating as it sounded? Did he get to pull off any of his crazy kicks?

I'm dissapointed.

I'm dissapointed.

Me too...sounded like (from the Play-By-Play) Daniels barely got to do anything other than try a guillotine from half-guard, and give up easy takedowns. I'd hoped he had good enough wrestling to display his style.

I wonder where he's been working on his grappling?

I wonder where he's been working on his grappling?
Erik Paulson's.

Frankly, I'm disappointed. I don't think he threw a single clean strike and his ground game was just terrible. If he chooses to continue in MMA, I hope he takes a year off and really hones his grounds skills with some seasoned pro's and then returns. His stand-up is great imo, but he just looked a bit nervous and green.

Here's the video:
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/VideoDetails.aspx?vid=10000575&tid=100

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Thanks for the video. Man, Daniels did not look good at all. The write-up was very accurate, he didn't even get to throw a strike, just an attempt at a loose guillotine and being overwhelmed on the ground.

Daniels also got hit in the chin with a fairly decent right hook if I recall correctly. His hands were down at his chest the whole time too and he bounced around like a sport karate fighter.

Daniels also got hit in the chin with a fairly decent right hook if I recall correctly. His hands were down at his chest the whole time too and he bounced around like a sport karate fighter.

Wonder why?

Could it be because he's a sport krotty fighter?

That would be my guess. They kept saying he had kickboxing experience, but did he have any other than the WCL?

Not to my knowledge. Most of the WCL's top guys were sport krotty fighters because of the similar setup and rulesets.

Daniels was hyped as the guy that would bring legitimacy to the WCL the same way Andy Souwer did for Shootboxing and its spandex wearing fighters. This will only hurt the WCL's reputation further and inspire some nice "LOL Krotty" footage for future videos.

Can't say I'm sorry to see it though. After that entrance and his interviews...egads.

That would be my guess. They kept saying he had kickboxing experience, but did he have any other than the WCL?

They said he was 18-0 in the WCL and 16-0 in "kickboxing". So they made it seem like he's had experience outside of the WCL, though all I can find is that he won a K-1 MAX undercard fight in Las Vegas back in 06.

Is there something like Sherdog's Fight Finder for kickboxing?

And really the larger anchor around Daniels neck is that he is supposedly representing the WCL. Even though not officially, he is definitely linked to that organization since he's their poster boy and despite the fact that this was MMA and not striking, it will reflect poorly on them. Most casual fans don't seem to seperate the two sports (and some fighters for that matter).

Wooooo. That was rugged. He got tooled.


His hands were down at his chest the whole time too and he bounced around like a sport karate fighter.

Did you actually watch the fight? He was either clinched or on the ground 99% of the fight. I know it's tempting to take another shot at "lol, sport karate!", but that really wasn't a factor. His complete lack of a ground game and obvious inexperience were the cause of the fight's outcome.

And lol at the "guillotine"! I didn't know you could do one of those from half guard with an arm in too! I mean, I suppose it's remotely possible, but it was basically nothing more than an ineffectual head lock.

And lol at the "guillotine"! I didn't know you could do one of those from half guard with an arm in too! I mean, I suppose it's remotely possible, but it was basically nothing more than an ineffectual head lock.

The last (and I mean it probably won't happen again) time I tapped one of the pro-fighters at my gym it was with a guillotine from half-guard, with an arm in.

If he does MMA again (and he's smart about it) he'll fire his manager/trainer. By the looks of it, he basically went in there with little ground training (if any) against a seasoned MMA guy whose primary fighting style is grappling. And I have little doubt that his coaches were telling him he could do this and he could take this guy out with no problems etc., and he bought the whole package.

If the Raymond is going to take this seriously, he'll need to enlist with a top trainer/school, and there are plenty of those in California. For someone as athletic as he is, imagine the good that would come from training for a year at a place like ATT. At this point, if he doesn't take some major changes but tries MMA again, I expect the same thing to happen.

What was with the 3 minute rounds?

Wooooo. That was rugged. He got tooled.



Did you actually watch the fight? He was either clinched or on the ground 99% of the fight. I know it's tempting to take another shot at "lol, sport karate!", but that really wasn't a factor. His complete lack of a ground game and obvious inexperience were the cause of the fight's outcome.

And lol at the "guillotine"! I didn't know you could do one of those from half guard with an arm in too! I mean, I suppose it's remotely possible, but it was basically nothing more than an ineffectual head lock.

Did you notice the ten seconds before he got clinched?