I'd imagine a large proportion of bullies are well aware of the whole Anonymous vs. CoS thing that's been going on since late January, but if not take a quick look here: Dailymotion - ROAD TO FEBRUARY 10, 2008 - FINAL VERSION, a video from SA-Anonymous. road, february, scientology, anonymous@@AMEPARAM@@http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x4dcig@@AMEPARAM@@x4dcig (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dcig_road-to-february-10-2008-final-vers_politics) Anyhow, I've been very involved as a part of Anonymous due to personal reasons and moral convictions. I have a large write up on Sociocide should you care to read it, and if you want to get involved go to www.enturbulation.org and find a protest near you.

It has been pointed out to me that perhaps due to emotional issues, I haven't been quite as skeptical as I should be when dealing with the claims made against the Church of Scientology. There are a LOT of claims being made against CoS, and I think this falls into the realm of conspiracy being that this is on such a grand scale. I'd like to dissect each claim and come up with arguments and evidence so that I personally, and all of us on a whole can arrive at an accurate conclusion.

I will attempt to cite all claims with sources, but I have been doing so much reading and watching on the subject over the past few months I cannot find everything. In addition, several of these claims have been made to me personally from both ex-members and current parishioners. For all claims made to me directly I will use “(Personal experiences)” to indicate so. In the interest of time I won’t be citing everything, but I freely encourage all to challenge any and all claims made within.

To avoid too much wall of text stuff going on I will be taking on only one issue per post. I intend to make one post every other day or so with new information and issues. I am doing this in totally arbitrary order.

1.Deceit in beliefs:
- CoS claims compatibility with all religions and faiths
(First hand experience from several current CoS members, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_other_religions#Religious_compatib ility)

- Actual audio of Hubbard talking on how Roman Catholicism is all a sham, and how Christ never existed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5yE7Z-wPkA For reference, according to ex-CoS members who were above OT 3 (when this is learned), R6 is an alien thought implant containing all earthly religions except for Scientology. They are therefore all lies. This information comes along with the Xenu/Xemu story, which is well known and confirmed by now.
(A quick search for “Xenu” will turn up mountains of evidence)

Careful, you dont want to unleash the wrath of Galactic Lord Xenu. Scientology is a scam... a big scam. Paying thousands for "audits"? Its just another trendy religion for rich idiots.

Don't look now, but there is another religion based on Science Fiction, called Jedism. Don't believe me check this out: http://www.thejediismway.org/. Wait till this stupid trend catches on!

Considering scientology doesn't contain the symbolic aspects and truths of established myth and other ancient doctrines, calling it a religion is a bit of a stretch.

Considering scientology doesn't contain the symbolic aspects and truths of established myth and other ancient doctrines, calling it a religion is a bit of a stretch.

You're right. It's a cult, there is no reason confusing it with older established delusions like christianity.

An aside, as stupid and crazy as scientology is, anonymous annoys me. Seems like a bunch of nerds/freaks who want to belong to some group to feel better about themselves.

Scientologists are an odd bunch, but there is a lot of misconception about their beliefs, both within and beyond their group. If you haven't read it already the introduction chapter in Ken "The Pilot" Ogger's Super Scio does a fairly good job of dismantling both Scientology and anti-Scientology misconceptions about what the group's practices are or were under Hubbard. You can find the section in question at

http://caersidi.freeshell.org/FZA/pilot/sscio/ss1a.htm

Keep in mind that he is a believer when reading it.

Unless you get directly involved with them personally the Scientos are "Mostly Harmless" especially when measured against the various ahistorical Millenialist and Apocalyptic strains of Christianity that have proliferated over the last hundred years.

As a whole I am not concerned with their belief system or structure. I'd be willing to bet I have a lot more experience within Scientology than all of you. My father is a Scientologist, and I am in contact with ex-scientolgists on a near daily basis. I am strictly interested in the claims of lies and abuses perpetrated by CoS upon its critics and parishoners. The "scam" aspect doesn't concern me nearly as much as some of the other more lofty claims, which is why I think further examination is needed.

feedback, as for Anonymous I have only seen a few people like that among the hundreds I've met. Most either think it's hilariously fun to troll CoS (which it is) or are fed up with the stuff CoS is allowed to get away with, and want to see it fall. There is often an overlap. I'm sort of a nerd (as I think most people online are), but I think about 90% of the people I've met are chill people who are fun to bum around with.

Since the financial aspect always seems to be a big one, let's get this out of the way:

2. High cost and pressure to buy more
- Estimated cost to reach OT 8 is ~$360,000 according to ex-members/critics
(http://www.xenu.net/archive/prices.html)

- Current members willing to admit to high cost of courses
(Personal experiences)

- Current member admits he is constantly being pressured to buy more courses
(Personal experiences)

- CoS says that there are alternatives and aid programs for those who need financial help
(Personal experiences + source unable to be found)

- Ex-members (in recorded conversations) have CoS workers pressuring them to mortgage their home, sell their car, borrow money from family, take another job, etc.
(2:00 – 3:00 video below)

- Several reported instances of people committing suicide due to financial woes brought on by CoS, or confidence that they will reincarnate and continue their CoS learning.
(3:07 – 3:32 video below, http://whyaretheydead.net/Noah_Antrim_Lottick_24/index.html , http://whyaretheydead.net/Patrice_Vic_31/index.html , more on www.whyaretheydead.net)

YouTube - What if Scientology actually made a TRUTHFUL infomercial? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnUbdAw9V4Y)

- Chief alternative to aid in course purchase is to become CoS staff, wherein you are paid very little, but receive course discounts.
(http://stason.org/TULARC/religion/scientology-catechism/8-5-How-much-does-it-cost-to-go-Clear.html)

What do you think of the "Operation Clambake" website?

I feel he does a great job of pointing out issues, evidence, etc. I spent many hours there the first time I learned of the site. It is very extensive and seemingly exhaustive.

http://www.xenu.net/

**** scientology, those jews are keeping me from my delicious cake.

They DO hurt and kill people, they DO molest children, they DO swindle gullible rich shits out of their money, they DO try and opress freedom of speech.

they DO psychologically torture their victims, they DO overwork people, they DO enslave.

if we let them run wild with this politically correct bullshit, next thing you know, they'll be too big to do anything about them.

they'll effectivelly police the internet, change the constitution to their favor(as if it already wasn't), bring in their own fucking celebrity politicians...and god knows what other ****.

they're already global.

they may even try for the HUEG ammount of destruction and IRL drama of making scientology the USA official religion

think they're powerful now? you ain't seen nothing yet.

Considering scientology doesn't contain the symbolic aspects and truths of established myth and other ancient doctrines, calling it a religion is a bit of a stretch.
:biblethum

Why is "established myth" a good thing? I'm sure that we can agree on how morally corrupt, ludicrous, and full of falsehoods Scientology is, but please -- explain to me how this disqualifies it from being a proper religion.

Petter has teh correct!

i think the principle difference between a church and a cult is brute numbers. A cult can call itself a church after it breaks the X thousand members barrier!!


EDIT- I believe this is the sociological definition of a religion.

Going by that reasoning? fine


it's not a religion until the faith of it's believers has been tested over and over again.

and that can only be by religious oppression/persecution.

if 100 years pass and it survives, it's a religion, and it has to compete with the big established religions on numbers fair and square, with the time disadvantage.

new religions based on fan fiction authors? please, if this **** survives we're going backwards in time.

as a matter of fact, I think that only anonymous or the state(s)(worldwide as described in your government book.) can defeat scientology.

while only anonymous can defeat anonymous, either that or the complete annihilation of the internet.

elite internet priviledges won't stop anon, elite Scifag internet privileges will only divide CO$

it's not a religion until the faith of it's believers has been tested over and over again.

and that can only be by religious oppression/persecution.
By those criteria, most traditional religions (Hinduism, Asatru, the ancient Greek religion, hundreds or thousands of animistic religions, druidism, etc.) either were not real religions, or became real religions only after they were oppressed and persecuted out of existence by Christianity. Are we to conclude that they are religions only in retrospect, and were not religions in their heyday since they had not yet encountered persecution?

In fact, I'm not even sure that Islam qualifies -- it's been pretty prevalent since the beginning in the central Muslim areas, and though I confess I'm not well versed in the history of the (purported?) religion, I don't know that it has undergone systematic persecution (although apostates, of course, regularly do). Do only Christians and Jews possess what you consider to be genuine religion?


new religions based on fan fiction authors? please, if this **** survives we're going backwards in time.
A large proportion of the world is still stuck about two millennia behind where they should be. Of course Scientology is a very large crock of ****, but in many ways, not substantially worse.

Ironically what really made scientology a religion was their insistance upon this definition as a method to avoid taxation.

I despise the tax exemption for religion; I wish they would do away with it everywhere. (I don't want tax exemption for explicitly atheistic groups either, for that matter.) Let them register as for-profit or non-profit and compete on everyone else's terms. Having irrational beliefs is not a good reason to be exempted from taxation.