I want to know where, how, and when it is acceptable to pull off a spinning hook kick in muay thai.

I know it can be done beacause I saw ramon dekkers do it.

I also want to know how effective standard hook kicks are:eg. if they are prone to takedowns etc.

I also want to know how to generate maximumpower from them.

thank you.

yes I did use the search function, and no, I found nothing.

When you are as good as Dekkers is you can do whatever the **** you want.

Things to watch out for with spinning hook kicks are:
Getting stuffed and slammed.
Getting stuffed and KTFOed by elbows.
Getting stuffed and KTFOed by right cross.

To use them you need good setups and good timing, just like any other spinning kick.
I personally use them at the end of a jab/cross combo where I step through with the cross and immediately spin into the kick while slightly leaning away from my opponent to (hopefully) avoid getting counterpunched in the head.

Your best bet is to work them into punching combos or off of things like failed round kicks. If you throw a high kick and it misses, continue the spin and throw the hook kick, sometimes your opponent will run right into it. Othertimes you will get stuffed and KTFOed.

If my advice is bad Whiteshark will be here momentarily to chastise me.

Motherfuck WhiteShark.

With low percentage, possibly SSK strikes like the spinning hook kicks, you need to throw them when they have the greatest chance of landing. The following conditions help:

1) It's late in the game and your opponent is tired.
2) It's late in the game and you have been reading your opponent. You know what he likes to do. You know that he is wise to some of your combos. You know you can set him up to eat the big spinning hook kick.
3) You're getting your ass beat and you need something out of left field to save you. It might not work, but it's worth a shot.

4) You have been making an effort to set him up. You've been throwing spinning back kicks to the midsection all day. Now he is associating the whipping around of the hips with a back kick, all of a sudden: *bang*, hell to the temple.


The reality of it is, however that that **** is hard as **** to land and people will make you pay for trying it.

Question == Raging Fuckwit, but also the correct.

You set up a spinning hook kick.

If you land it, it is devastating.

Question == Raging Fuckwit. Period.

Hook kicks are best pulled off while you are fresh.

Ask Ronnie Copeland and his broken jaw. Ha!

YouTube - WCL - Daniels vs. Copeland KO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYfPQfrQ3rg)

But yeah, if you land it, they are pretty sweet. I've landed a few myself, but like others have noted, most were stuffed. Or by the time I spun around, they had side-stepped.

Anything in the WCL instantly doesn't count in a sane discussion

It's a discussion about SPINNING HOOK KICKS already not sane.

touche!

I would rather throw the hook kick off the front leg.

I tend to use a lot of side kicks to maintain distance, and when I use the hook, people tend to think it's a sloppy side kick.

Heel -> temple -> lights out.

I've been victim of those. A guy I used to spar all the time in TKD loved to lead out with a sort of lunging lead leg round kick. He would slip it in and get points all the time. I got used to it and got really good at blocking or dodging it and countering. So our instructor talks to him for a few seconds between rounds and the next round he leads out with a lead leg hook kick, I reflexively move AWAY from where the round kick would have been, and RIGHT INTO his heel. Big ol' cut across the top of my eye and I stumbled backwards all the way across the room until I fell down near the wall. Was hilarious.

I would rather throw the hook kick off the front leg.

I tend to use a lot of side kicks to maintain distance, and when I use the hook, people tend to think it's a sloppy side kick.

Heel -> temple -> lights out. Those are nasty but you really have to have the technique down plus you need good stretching and speed to make them "kill".

A good setup for spinning hook kick would be to push your opponent backwards with a series of fast "roundhouse" or MTjabkicks and when he is against the ring and can't move further give him you best shot.


Everything else is 98% not going to work and will get you in more trouble then you can handle.

I would rather throw the hook kick off the front leg.

Terrible fucking idea. Seriously. Who the hell does this kind of **** in a match where people are allowed to kick the legs.

The spinning hook kick is some power shot ****. It's some knock a ************ out on the spot ****. It's not that gay ****. It's that SSK ****.

Seriously, there is no reason to throw a front leg hook kick. **** that.



I tend to use a lot of side kicks to maintain distance, and when I use the hook, people tend to think it's a sloppy side kick.

And I'd bet the two have similar effects.



Heel -> temple -> lights out.

Yeah, if you're kicking a 50 watt bulb, with your front leg hook kick, that is.

I'm agreeing with ? for once. No-spin hook kicks are awesome for point sparring, but a terrible idea otherwise. It's very hard to get power on them and if you miss, the hamstring on your lead leg ends up wiiiiiiiiide open for a leg kick that will hurt a hell of a lot more than the hook kick did. Plus, the time you'd need to spend to actually get any power with it could be infinitely better spent on more useful techniques.

The OP is the striking equivalent of "how do armbar"...

The OP is the striking equivalent of "how do armbar"...

No, it is not.

In fact, I would venture to suggest that it is perfect for internet discussion because it is not so technical that it would require a coach, or someone there in person to demostrate it. It is also not so retarded that one would say "that **** is basic, son. Go to class".

Get the **** out.