Jeff,

I wasnt defending Sacharnoski, I was trying to be objective. In fact I am really disappointed that he didnt goto trial for his slander law suite. I would have really liked to hear how he would have defended himself, if anything it would have been amusing. As for what I said Sacharnoski is doing about the whole ordeal is what was trickled down to me.

I talked to you not too long ago when Mr Cunningham ripped into me after I told him I was affiliated with Juko Kai and cc'ed you and Sacharnoski. If you remember I finally decided to let him have his day in court and let the judge decide. You can imagine my disappointment when I read about the dismissal.

However I do want to congratulate you on the dismissal. This has been dragged out long enough and it was about time for it to end. It was on my todo list to send you an email but why not kill two birds with one stone.

The only reason I remain with juko kai is because it is the only school in my area that teaches aikijutsu and japanese sword arts. I am however restricting my contributions to juko kai to the bare minimum.

I completely understand, and I wasn't pointing my comments to you. I think there's a legitimate chance that Sacharnoski may have not been served properly. However, I still think he would have received a copy of the judgement, and have ample time to file an appeal. He didn't do that, and it may just bite him in the tail. It's usually very difficult to have a judgment over turned. It comes down to his word, vs the process servers word.

Sacharnoski really didn't have much of a case to begin with. I've spent hours looking over the few responses to the discovery requests that he did submit. It wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. For every statement that Don made in the article he wrote, there was substantial documentation to back it up.

I am curious as to why he didn't simply pay the transfer fees, and move on with it. As I said, the rumor is that he simply hasn't paid his attorney. It's typically normal procedure for the attorney to pay the transfer fees, and then bill the client. His attorney refused to do that.

As for it being over, who knows. I have heard rumors that he plans on re-filing it. That's clearly his right to do that, but I fail to see what he thinks he could possibly gain from it. It was a dead case from the get go.

If you feel like you are getting something from your training in Juko Kai, then you shouldn't quit. People study martial arts for different reasons. Even I was a student of William Durbin for 12 years (Juko Kai Vice President.)

It's my opinion that there's nothing (Combat wise) to be gained in a organized martial arts system anymore. It wasn't until I decided to open my mind to everything, that I really began to learn. Durbin told us that we were not allowed to study more than one system at a time. Now I know why. His system was deficient. I've learned twice the amount of technique going to clinics, visiting dojos, etc., than I ever did within the walls of his dojo.

But I want to study a combat effective art. Period. I don't want the belt system, titles, ranks, certificates, etc., to get in the way. Go in and train, then leave. And the best combat effective art, takes pieces from all arts, and then combines them.

Note. Some new documents pertaining to the "Harrassment / Forgery" case have been posted on this website.

http://www.e-budokai.com/jukokai/harassment.htm

They were on , then they were off, now their on again and the turd tried to show up for the clinic and train. Mental illness is what it all is....

the turd tried to show up for the clinic and train. Men

Come again?

Originally posted by Vapour
The second count charges that Sacharnoski forged the plaintiff's name on subscription requests for magazines and other services.

Originally posted by jboler
Come again?

oh OH OH

hows that ? Enquirer breath..
wah wah wah...
Like you don't know ...hmmmph

Yeah, heard Rod had a great turn-out. :)

This is what it has come to for Juko Kai-ites. Instead of trying to intelligently defend Sacharnoski (which can't be done successfully), they have sunk down to just acting stupid.

Fitting....

See-you did know about it - numbskull
wah wah wah...he's calling me names..
Someday I wish to be just like you...
a dick...
Oh no - thats right - I already am.
And your level of intelligence is reflective of being on this website:p

See-you did know about it - numbskull

Uh, no. After you made a comment about it, I asked questions though. Logically, that's what you do in cases like this. By the way, Rod has always said that people who have problems with him should say so to his face. Why wasn't he more receptive?


And your level of intelligence is reflective of being on this website

Ha, touche! However, my intelligence was at a high enough level that I knew when to get out of Juko Kai when learning the truth. Your still in there.

Says alot.

Whats the truth there bucko?
that you were in the jukokai and now have been saved?
I thought you were in that other group. Some splinter org of them.. Thats not jukokai... they can't even fight...
...and where is there any comment that I'm in jukokai?
nice try...

Originally posted by boredstiff
Whats the truth there bucko?
that you were in the jukokai and now have been saved?
I thought you were in that other group. Some splinter org of them.. Thats not jukokai... they can't even fight...

Splinter org? Uh, No. ZKSR Sponsored the system of Kiyojute Ryu. William Durbin is the head of the org, and the vice president of ZKSR. Read the by-laws numb nuts. Any organization that is sponsored by Juko Kai (ZKSR) is technically apart of Juko Kai. One of the reasons that I left to begin with.

Like it or not...they are connected.

Can't fight? Well, they don't stand around kicking each other in the nads, so since that is the definition of fight in Juko Kai, I guess you are right.




...and where is there any comment that I'm in jukokai?
nice try...

Oh really? You are not a member of Juko Kai, but you knew that they recently had a clinic, in which Mr. Cunningham was on the same campus. Nice try. You lie worse than Rod, and that's saying something.

hmmm,
you know a lot about Jukokai but your not in it...
I lie worse than - oh wah wah - name calling again.
Your so educated and insightful. If you were taught by Durbin to stand and get kicked in the nuts I don't blame you for quitting.
How long did it take you? Was it almost 12 years ? A little jukokai birdie said that...
Lucky you learn quick...
So this ZKSR is a sponsored system of Kiyojuteryu. hmm
Why don't you post the bylaws for people since you have all this information and assume the rest of us do in case we don't.
I'm confused more now..

If you were taught by Durbin to stand and get kicked in the nuts I don't blame you for quitting.

No, Durbin doesn't teach this, nor does he participate in it. But it is the norm under Juko Kai instruction.


So this ZKSR is a sponsored system of Kiyojuteryu. hmm

Reading trouble? ZKSR is Juko Kai's "Soke Admiration Society." It is apart of Juko Kai. William Durbin was recognized by ZKSR as Soke of Kiyojute Ryu.


Why don't you post the bylaws for people since you have all this information and assume the rest of us do in case we don't.

Why don't you ask your daddy (Sachmeister) for a copy?


I'm confused more now..

Confusion should be running rampant in Juko Kai. Look at Rod's "history." First, he was a student of Albert Church, then he wasn't. First, he inherited Dai Yoshin Ryu from Yokota, then he developed his own version of it. First, he met Suzuki of the Seibukan. Then, he claimed never to have met the man. First he was a member of the Bujinkan Shidoshikai, now he isn't. It's no wonder you people are so confused....

Originally posted by jboler
No, Durbin doesn't teach this, nor does he participate in it. But it is the norm under Juko Kai instruction.
But Durbin is the "El-Vice Presidento" of Jukokai. How could he by a vice president and not do the "norm"? Now that sounds like a whole lot of bullshido!!
We can assume after more than a decade of training with them and not doing the norm - if you got hit you'd probably fall down and cry like you do on the net eh?




Reading trouble? ZKSR is Juko Kai's "Soke Admiration Society." It is apart of Juko Kai. William Durbin was recognized by ZKSR as Soke of Kiyojute Ryu.
Actually no trouble reading at all.
Your exact post above says;
ZKSR Sponsored system of Kiyojute Ryu.
That means Kiyojute ryu sponsors ZKSR doesn't it?




Why don't you ask your daddy (Sachmeister) for a copy?
Because I'd rather ask my bubbha-bitch.




It's no wonder you people are so confused....

how many times has there been a public apology to your behavior towards others and your back at it again? seems your the confused one asswipe.:D
Gotta admit your a whole lotta fun.
must spend a whole lot of time with family,friends,business and training to not have the time to respond to my jerkwad comments..
hee hee - what a maroon....

Your turn to call names -

Originally posted by boredstiff
But Durbin is the "El-Vice Presidento" of Jukokai. How could he by a vice president and not do the "norm"? Now that sounds like a whole lot of bullshido!!

Actually, I agree. He doesn't do the Combat Ki thing, rarely attends Juko Kai clinics (unless a film crew is there)....Doesn't sound much like a Vice President to me.


We can assume after more than a decade of training with them and not doing the norm - if you got hit you'd probably fall down and cry like you do on the net eh?

Nope. I started doing "reality" based stuff after I left the cult. So my skills are pretty much up to par.


Actually no trouble reading at all.
Your exact post above says;
ZKSR Sponsored system of Kiyojute Ryu.
That means Kiyojute ryu sponsors ZKSR doesn't it?

Nope. ZKSR sponsors Kiyojute Ryu, or anyone else willing to throw down some cash.



[b]how many times has there been a public apology to your behavior towards others and your back at it again? seems your the confused one asswipe.:D
Gotta admit your a whole lotta fun.
must spend a whole lot of time with family,friends,business and training to not have the time to respond to my jerkwad comments..
hee hee - what a maroon....

Your turn to call names -

Name calling is not neccessary. I have apologized in the past for speaking out publicly, but never for the content. Sacharnoski has done all of the work for me. It's his own comments that do him the most harm.

The fact that there are still morons such as yourself that still follow the man....is scary. Do yourself a favor....attend a Gracie Clinic. It will be one heck of any eye opener for you, when you finally learn that what you have been studying for years is nothing more than crap.

Unfortunately for you though, you wont get the fancy "Sex Way House" certificates.