I don't know what the **** Whiteshark is going on about. You can in fact dominate someone in striking to the same extent as in grappling and not hurt them. I've sparred with motherfuckers who I couldn't touch, or moved much faster than I did and thought "goddamn, this guy is much better than I am".

They slipped, moved, landed shots, and it hit home "I'm not on his level yet".

On the other hand, I've rolled with guys who went easy on me and though "oh, my grappling doesn't suck as much as I thought it did".

See that's my point if you end up saying "Who cares. I know this person sucks." You haven't really improved anything by inviting them to a throwdown/letting them test their game.

I purposely said improved not proved because one of the original goals of the throwdowns was to improve the standards of the martial hobbyist.

As far as the Silva Franklin thing goes if that is your example you are essentially saying you have to be a World Class striker before you can show someone why their striking sucks without hurting them. I hope that is not the case.

I agree with WS. My standup sucks. I just odn't have the killer instinct (yet). For those that do, they just pound on me. Slipping and moving does not provide the same level of awareness of dominance that pinning someone does in BJJ. I can pin you without submitting you and you can work your way out. Striking doesn't really have that. Either you hit me or I hit you.

I said to someone in my school "I wish someone in muay thai would treat me like I treat the noobs in BJJ"...maybe it just isn't quite possible to get the same feeling out of it.

Yes, when you guys become Silva let me know. I've seen instructors get tagged on occasion and that video isn't a fair representation.

That is a fight. Yes, that would be demoralizing. Thing is if you are keeping the contact at their level, that isn't going to work.

DO many variables going on in their mind. You aren't trying to demoralize and lose a student.
dude, this is ymas. turn that frown upside down.

As far as the Silva Franklin thing goes if that is your example you are essentially saying you have to be a World Class striker before you can show someone why their striking sucks without hurting them. I hope that is not the case.
It's a matter of absolute skill, but relative skill differential. Which is what you're talking about. I've done what Anderson is doing myself. Of course, it was against people were shitty shitty shitty strikers.

WS...just TELL THEM YOU WERE GOING EASY. If they then want to go harder, go harder. Problem solved.

It's a matter of absolute skill, but relative skill differential. Which is what you're talking about. I've done what Anderson is doing myself. Of course, it was against people were shitty shitty shitty strikers.
Exactly. Some people will walk away thinking **** if I had gone harder........

Geordi nailed a point i had skipped before perfectly.

To demonstrate superiority in the first place you do have to that good in the first place,anyway.

- if the other guy sucks that much at striking, and if you are that good *in comparison*,you can play cat and mouse with him,and never have to hurt the guy.

Ive done it to particularly uncoordenated but enthusiastic wt nutrider who wanted to "spar". i have to say theres something funny when you can *slap away* chain-punches(im not talking about of pak-sao,i mean just old fashioned smacking). i dont recall doing more than shoving him back as a counter because i didnt want it to come to sticking,where he´s claim my chun "technique" was what was beating him.

-regardless i didnt have to punch him at all and because i wasnt being an overt ass about it, and took the time to share what i thought could help him improve what he was doing,the guy didnt have any problem admiting that he did need to work on his game.

now,if we had been of equal skill,and common sense wasnt on the menu,i could see it getting ugly as we had to escalate it to one-up the other. but that could also hold true in grappling. what if your grappling game isnt that solid and you have to put the hurt by straining his ligaments in a hold\lock to make him tap out?

What worked for me with one guy in the JJ class was when he should hit the "mits" and I just keept wacking him over the head with the mit.
If you have to go around their "guard" or over it with that big mit and still be able to slightly wack them, it shows them that they would never be able to defend against a real punch to the face. Just my 2 cent on the topic.

DO many variables going on in their mind. You aren't trying to demoralize and lose a student.

I don't think the issue is so much students as it is potentially delusional Throwdown attendees. People who show up thinking their 14 Point Sparring trophies make them T3h Deadly.
How do you show that person, demonstrably, that they are NOT as effective as they believe they are without smashing them senseless over and over again?

We have hit everything from classes to TD. We are talking about both.

How do you show that person, demonstrably, that they are NOT as effective as they believe they are without smashing them senseless over and over again?
Why would you want to do that?

Why would you want to do that?
Why wouldn't you?

Why would you want to do that?

I know I'm falling for a troll/trap but in case anyone reading this doesn't know.

We want to do that because that is why many of us go to throwdowns. Sharing our experience of discovering what works and getting out of our dead styles.

I don't know what the **** Whiteshark is going on about. You can in fact dominate someone in striking to the same extent as in grappling and not hurt them. I've sparred with motherfuckers who I couldn't touch, or moved much faster than I did and thought "goddamn, this guy is much better than I am".

They slipped, moved, landed shots, and it hit home "I'm not on his level yet".

On the other hand, I've rolled with guys who went easy on me and though "oh, my grappling doesn't suck as much as I thought it did".
Yes, but you're not a delusional larper.

I dunno, if someone's not going to admit they're beaten at medium contact, there's no guarantee they'll do it through hard contact either. There's always a deadly technique or two that they couldn't use that would've totally turned the fight around.

PS. Whiteshark, I totally knew I was outclassed even though you were going super light on me at the mega. Thank you for not knocking me out with that head kick.

I know I'm falling for a troll/trap but in case anyone reading this doesn't know.

We want to do that because that is why many of us go to throwdowns. Sharing our experience of discovering what works and getting out of our dead styles.
I'm not always a jerk you know.

Anyway, this is what I was trying to convey.

Yes, but you're not a delusional larper.

I dunno, if someone's not going to admit they're beaten at medium contact, there's no guarantee they'll do it through hard contact either. There's always a deadly technique or two that they couldn't use that would've totally turned the fight around.

PS. Whiteshark, I totally knew I was outclassed even though you were going super light on me at the mega. Thank you for not knocking me out with that head kick.

If the sucky person you're sparring truly is trying to learn and see what they are doing wrong, they won't need a full force punch to the face to know that. That's required when the person is self deluded. And you're unlikely to convince them otherwise even if you knock them out.