I'm contemplative, it's Friday (thank fucking God), one of my 2 days of rest, and I'm not sober enough to go anywhere (in a happy way, no bottle of gin hidden in the toilet tank), so, discuss:

Name 1 or 2 "traditional" (whatever that means to you) techniques (strikes/kicks/that you use in typical (whatever that is to you) sparring sessions. Why do you like them, what are they good compared to the most common/basic/staple techniques that have basically become generic to most typical/decent-in-the-cage styles now?

Requesting politely that (even if this is a grey area for forum rules) that that this be kept in the Japanese TMA section, tho MMA/non-Japanese TMA are welcome to comment on it if they're lurking.

Basically, this (aside from forms and formalities &/or history) sums up the line in the sand where we are still not labelling ourselves kickboxers/grapplers/mma/fencers and keeping ourselves, even if we study multiple arts, what direct technical advantages (if any) do we gain from it?

I'm not saying this distinction is a huge deal of importance necessarily/all of the time, but good food for thought.

Here's 2:

#1 Side Kick - nothing revolutionary, but most contact fighters nowadays get by mostly just using round and front. You don't need a side kick, but in some situations a thrusty with the front leg side kick is a natural fast kick with decent stopping power for how small/fast you can whittle the motion down to. It's not necessary, but I'm very glad I know/use it.

#2 Knife Hand "Block" - if you evade to a good angle vs. a rear hand power shot you saw coming this motion is often pretty natural way (no foldup, coming from w/e your hands are) to transition to a grab if you want to pull them off balance and into a punch (or clinch, or throw). Since it works better on solid clothing it's probably less useful for ppl who compete against slippery half naked athletes, but if you spar with heavy t shirts, sweat shirts, rashguards, and of course a gi it's easier and there's nothing silly about pulling someone into a strong punch.

Sorry to break it to ya, there are no useful "TMA techniques" that you can use in sparring outside of point sparring.

There are some techniques that you don't see very often in a modern mt/boxing mma standup style, that still work, but are situational. I'm not saying you'll leap into snake stance and dim mak him so he dies in 3 days, but you don't see things like, say, side kick very often in mma even though some people with a bit of a classical base (cung lee vs. shamrock) have made it part of their toolbox.

http://www.antekprizering.com/marcianolastarzaffpostpic.jpeg
I could try to find something a little older, if you would like.

Boxing definitely has some classic elements if you think about it. The style of young Mike Tyson was awesome to watch with all the sharp technical, textbook bobbing and weaving and counterpunching. I don't see that every time I watch people with boxing/kickboxing hands fight.

How about Monkey steals a peach? That work for anyone?

http://primates.ximian.com/~jackson/Monkey_steals_peach.jpg

I don't know how to paste images. sorry.


I occasionally go for sidekicks, but find that they are a bit too slow and too obvious. Part of that is my limited skill, and the other is the fact that round kicks are more deceptive. A side kick almost always is aimed for the body where as the round kick has three potential targets and can often be doubled up.

Uh how about the armbar?

This thread is why I hate shotokunts. "traditional techniques?"

I got a traditional technique for you.

It's in my pants.

front kick, jab, reverse punch. if that combo doesn't count as traditional, there's a problem.

How about using the Kumiuchi kamae in MMA tournaments, but to be fair that would require everyone wears a traditional gi. Then the tradtional guys could use torite waza, but a lot of that use small joint manipulation and thats illigal in MMA competition I believe.

Ok I'll bite!
YouTube - Ed Ratcliff mma spinning back (hook) kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lizuKHxUGhc)

ichi ashi nage

amazingly works on lots of different people including in MMA sparing

that and a tsuki to the nosey

Then the tradtional guys could use torite waza, but a lot of that use small joint manipulation and thats illigal in MMA competition I believe.

Dunno what torite waza is, but I'm 90% sure it's a wristlock from your post. Stop propogating this myth, wrists do not count as small joints according to MMA rules. Small joints are fingers and toes.

I like Juji Gatame myself.

I also like and often use:
Hadaka Jime
Ude Garame
Sankaku Jime

Uchi Mata
O Soto Gari
Tai Otoshi
Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi
De Ashi Barai
Ko Uchi Gari

O Uchi GariEvery now and then (if I'm lucky) I get a kagato Jime - usually if someone tries to lapel choke me from inside my guard.

I'm contemplative, it's Friday (thank fucking God), one of my 2 days of rest, and I'm not sober enough to go anywhere (in a happy way, no bottle of gin hidden in the toilet tank), so, discuss:

Name 1 or 2 "traditional" (whatever that means to you) techniques (strikes/kicks/that you use in typical (whatever that is to you) sparring sessions. Why do you like them, what are they good compared to the most common/basic/staple techniques that have basically become generic to most typical/decent-in-the-cage styles now?

Requesting politely that (even if this is a grey area for forum rules) that that this be kept in the Japanese TMA section, tho MMA/non-Japanese TMA are welcome to comment on it if they're lurking.

Basically, this (aside from forms and formalities &/or history) sums up the line in the sand where we are still not labelling ourselves kickboxers/grapplers/mma/fencers and keeping ourselves, even if we study multiple arts, what direct technical advantages (if any) do we gain from it?

I'm not saying this distinction is a huge deal of importance necessarily/all of the time, but good food for thought.

Have use this before:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/shodokan/images/ushiro.gif
This is based on the principles of 'ryoku hi' and 'shikoro dori', the 3rd and 11th techniques of Kodokan Judo's 'koshiki no kata'.

and

http://homepage2.nifty.com/shodokan/images/wakigatame.gif
From Tenjinshinyoryu jujitsu school of thoughts.


GMW