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hero2u
4/06/2008 5:35pm,
PLEASE someone give it to me straight - is kali any good for street self defense against the typical road-rage idiot? Does it take several years to become half way proficient? Seems that good info on kali is as hard to find as a good school. BTW, I plan on moving to denver within a few months; any good kali schools in denver?

mike321
4/06/2008 5:54pm,
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Straight up, only proven method for taking on streets.

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Matt Stone
4/07/2008 12:09am,
I started studying Modern Arnis with Datu Kelly Worden about 6 weeks ago with my 12 year old son. In that 6 week period, with 2 classes per week available, we've only missed 2 classes.

During sparring in class (wearing face/head protection and using minimally padded sticks), my son is able, with startling regularity, to pull off roof blocks with counters against more experienced adult students.

I've been studying martial arts for 23 years, and that includes some time doing FMA as well. Based on my experience, I'd have to say that, for flat out self-defense, armed and unarmed against armed and/or unarmed opponents, FMA definitely has a faster learning curve than many other arts. If I gave my son a rattan stick or a collapsible baton, and had to bet on him versus an unarmed adult or an adult armed with a similar weapon, right now my money would be on my son. If he was against multiple opponents, or a single opponent with a knife or machete (weapons you can't really "suck up" hits from), I'd say he'd lose. But that's right now...

I think FMA, whatever your flavor, is one of the very few martial arts on the planet that is in constant real-world use on a daily basis. Walk through the barrios of the Philippines, and you'll find more than enough evidence to support this.

Whosthemaster
4/07/2008 1:15am,
Take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THW-c6E5nvs

Kali is very practical for the streets. It was made for that (actually, for something quite worse than a everyday man would encounter, more to the likes of gangfights or riots like in that video) and if trained right it is still aimed for that.
If you really get into the mindset, it is the best way for defending yourself in the streets - you will have learned how to defend yourself against a blade attack or a multiple attackers scenario the best way possible - attacking with your own knife. Even if you don't want to or can't carry one, I firmly believe the art has the best possible techniques for defense against weapons. Because we are always training with them and we know how to make them work the best.


If he was against multiple opponents, or a single opponent with a knife or machete (weapons you can't really "suck up" hits from), I'd say he'd lose. But that's right now...


My master is always repeting that concept: you can't "suck up" hits of weapons like you would do with a gloved fist. I had no previous martial art experience before joining, so I understood it quickly. Whenever new people experienced in sport fights come to train with us, it takes them a few hits to understand it.

wikidbounce
4/07/2008 6:54am,
Kali is a lot of fun to train, but it does come down to the training method just as in all types of MA. There can be good or bad.

new2bjj
4/07/2008 9:05am,
Dude, if you got the sticks or knife, and the other guy doesn't, I bet you can pull off a win- how's that for street effectiveness!

DerAuslander
4/07/2008 9:32am,
The things I learned in Kali were a tremendous help when I was bouncing regularly, and have carried over into the things I train now. If I had more time, I would get back to Kali training with less than a second thought.

escrimador6
4/07/2008 11:27am,
Escrima (Kali, Arnis, whatever you want to call it) has been proven very effective for self-defense. But, as one poster already put it, you have to make sure you are getting good training. With the raise in popularity, I'm starting to see strip mall dojos tacking on FMAs.

If your looking for schools in Denver I know they have a Sayoc school and a Pekiti-Tirsia school. Google will probably show you some more.

Whosthemaster
4/07/2008 11:29am,
Escrima (Kali, Arnis, whatever you want to call it) has been proven very effective for self-defense. But, as one poster already put it, you have to make sure you are getting good training. With the raise in popularity, I'm starting to see strip mall dojos tacking on FMAs.

Really?
I'm guessing they don't do live blade sparrings?

escrimador6
4/07/2008 11:34am,
Really?
I'm guessing they don't do live blade sparrings?

Yeah, it's starting to happen. My guess is they don't spar at all or they do the spaceman padded suit point sparring. I've even seen it in my town. One of the strap mall places here had a guy teaching FMA that was awful. I'll give them credit for dropping him once it was exposed that he really had no business teaching.

Ryno
4/07/2008 1:12pm,
It can be good, but depends on the quality of instruction. Dealing with weapons, it does a good job of training you to think and react quicker. I would tend to look for a FMA club that also does some boxing if at all possible. For self defense training, the club should spar with and without weapons.

Whosthemaster
4/07/2008 1:14pm,
Yeah, it's starting to happen. My guess is they don't spar at all or they do the spaceman padded suit point sparring. I've even seen it in my town. One of the strap mall places here had a guy teaching FMA that was awful. I'll give them credit for dropping him once it was exposed that he really had no business teaching.

How did they find out/

escrimador6
4/07/2008 1:18pm,
How did they find out/

Not really sure. All I heard was a few different rumors. Didn't give it much thought since the classes got cancelled.

Whosthemaster
4/07/2008 1:30pm,
Not really sure. All I heard was a few different rumors. Didn't give it much thought since the classes got cancelled.

I've heard bad FMA in the USA lacks sparring. Makes sense since point sparring exists in lots of unarmed martial arts.

escrimador6
4/07/2008 1:32pm,
I've heard bad FMA in the USA lacks sparring. Makes sense since point sparring exists in lots of unarmed martial arts.

I think bad FMA anywhere lacks sparring. I'm also not a big fan of the sparring done with tons of padding.

Whosthemaster
4/07/2008 1:37pm,
I think bad FMA anywhere lacks sparring. I'm also not a big fan of the sparring done with tons of padding.

I meant the States because I've always heard the lawsuit industry and the insurance companies were to blame for the expansion of point-sparring injury free McDojos.