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melk
12/15/2007 11:58am,
Running in Russian and RMA circles this is one theory that you inevitably hear about sooner or later, or be accused of being a part of.

Essentially it goes like this:
The intial founders of communism and the Soviet state knew that Russians were culturally different from the rest of the world to the point that they would never be able to actualize the world communist ideal. To fix this problem they devised a multi phase solution.

Phase 1: The initial Revolution. This includes the October Revolution and the following communist revolutions throughout the world.

Phase 2: Establish a worldwide communist brotherhood of anents and provocatuers that will continue to spread communist doctrine in non-communist countries.

Phase 3: A falsified rift in the communist brotherhood, aka the break between the Soviet Union and China.

Phase 4: Establishing the appearance of tyrannical rule in communist countries as a form of misdirection so that the west will not easily recognize the growing communism in their own countries.

Phase 5(the final phase): The appearing breakdown of communism within the Soviet Union, including the destruction of the Berlin wall, and democratization of Russia and its Republics. This is done to lull the west into thinking communism is dead, in order to blind them to comming final revolution.

Now, any good theory has to have credible support. This one actually has some of the best.
First is former director of CIA Counter Intelligence, Angleton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jesus_Angleton
And KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn who made 194 predictions concerning the breakdown of the Soviet Union of which 139 proved true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

Some other websites concerning this are:
http://www.thefinalphase.com/A01_ThesisIntro.htm
http://www.thefinalphase.com/

So tell me what you think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

Poop Loops
12/15/2007 3:29pm,
So essentially they are stating facts that already happened (Soviet Union fell apart), tacking on their own reasons for it (TO FOOL YOU ALL!), and then coming up with a prediction for the future.

Let's see if I can do this.

The Soviet Union fell apart because it was a piece of **** and Russia is turning more and more into a dictatorship.

I win.

melk
12/15/2007 3:34pm,
So essentially they are stating facts that already happened (Soviet Union fell apart), tacking on their own reasons for it (TO FOOL YOU ALL!), and then coming up with a prediction for the future.

Let's see if I can do this.

The Soviet Union fell apart because it was a piece of **** and Russia is turning more and more into a dictatorship.

I win.

Actually it deals with a bunch of predictions made back in 1981. That apparently have an incredible amount of accuracy. The question isn't so much whether or not this guy could predict what would happen in the Soviet Union/Russian Federation, but whether his analysis of it is accurate.

That is what makes it a good conspiracy theory.

Roidie McDouchebag
12/15/2007 4:04pm,
Well...I think they did too good a job on phase 5 to be able to go ahead with phase 6.

nameless44
12/15/2007 4:22pm,
A good political scientist or economist can make a series of predictions that turn out 71.6% true when it comes to the future of a closed, staid country like the Soviet Union. As it is, it'd require way too many people to keep their fucking traps shut for too long for it to be feasible as a plan. It's an entertaining conspiracy theory and something fun to think about, but there's no way in hell that it's actually happening.

Roidie McDouchebag
12/15/2007 4:52pm,
I'd say the FSB are keeping a pretty firm hand on everything, but returning to communism is a ridiculous idea, even though I'd like to see it happen.

kracker
12/15/2007 5:33pm,
:4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot: :4robot:

NOTHING IS HOW IT SEEMS!!! NO ONE IS SAFE!!!!.... nah that's just stupid. That's way on the bottom of my list of things to worry about, just below reptillian shapeshifters.

Don Gwinn
12/15/2007 6:30pm,
They won't be Communists this time. They'll be called Freedomists or some similarly creepy Russian term.

Roidie McDouchebag
12/15/2007 6:37pm,
You know, this may serve to warn people about just how shitty RMA are.

melk
12/15/2007 6:42pm,
You know, this may serve to warn people about just how shitty RMA are.

Are you speaking of RMAs in general or in specific? Granted the Golitsynites would say they are all communist training centers, however Sambo and some of the RMAs that haven't made it to the US have good promise. The only problem is that most of the instructors are too nationalistic to want to spread them outside of Russia. So I guess in the end the Russians still are not the right ones to spread communism to the world.

Roidie McDouchebag
12/15/2007 6:48pm,
Sambo's alright, but in general...

melk
12/15/2007 6:50pm,
Sambo's alright, but in general...

In general you have Ryabko Systema, other than that nothing legit has really made a debut in the states. There was ROSS but that was so short lived it might as well not have been.

SFGOON
12/15/2007 10:47pm,
Every time you say something like that Cracky, I'm tempted to launch in an hysterical Ashida-Kim-esque diatribe for no other reason than to sate you.

theotherserge
12/16/2007 12:54am,
I like that the author of the Final Phase is "William Wallace" I think that means this **** is ON!!:brave:

The old man told us that his opinion was that brutal Soviet era counter-insurgency was taught to Lebanese, Palestinian, Syrian and etc. agents and that's where you saw the shift from kids throwing rocks at armored cars to Molotov cocktails, Kalashnikovs and explosives; and then the Iran hostage situation and the bombing of the Marine barracks that pretty much fucked things up over there.

I have trouble believing that China and Russia would work together on anything this big as they have a shittier history than US/China and USSR/US.

Ajamil
12/16/2007 2:19am,
I can't believe this theory. The only person evil and intelligent enough to pull off such a feat as to make it look like he fails at every turn and then somehow end up on top is Dr. Doom - and he's in Latveria fighting super-zombies with Ash, so there's no worry right now.

Tofudog
12/16/2007 3:41am,
Canīt hardly wait. Action movies were never the same without commies.