Just wanted to share this videos. I hope you find them interesting:

Jujigatame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TeR4obSlmI

Kanae Hirata Udegarami:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZlBBc3Lzw

Kanae Hirata Jujigatame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08h_f3quNjM

Wakigatame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyI0wVc7RTU

Udegatame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl4K8pA686A

Ashi garami:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW6OUmBtXMU

Nami juji jime, Gyaku juji jime, Kata juji jime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9umNQNaC1B8

Hadaka jime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgkxvYEC2A

Okuri eri jime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMOKXRt7eU

Do jime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo0WudH-L3o

I found the wakigatame video particularly interesting - that's one of the first times I've seen throws against the joint used successfully in grappling competition. I had always thought of it as a very low percentage aikido-type move.

^^ Seconded about the wakigatame.
Great find blues man, I'm not much of a grappler and am trying to improve my ground game, so I appreciate videos like these.

I found the wakigatame video particularly interesting - that's one of the first times I've seen throws against the joint used successfully in grappling competition. I had always thought of it as a very low percentage aikido-type move.


check out aoki when he uses waki gatame to break a guys arm while standing... lil too much force on that one.

check out aoki when he uses waki gatame to break a guys arm while standing... lil too much force on that one.

Yeah, I've seen that one.... pretty ridiculous.

I found the wakigatame video particularly interesting - that's one of the first times I've seen throws against the joint used successfully in grappling competition. I had always thought of it as a very low percentage aikido-type move.It's illegal in Judo (too dangerous) which is why you won't see it there. The guy in the vid got disqualified.

It's illegal in Judo (too dangerous) which is why you won't see it there. The guy in the vid got disqualified.

I asked my sensei once why we weren't allowed to use so many of the joint locks commonly described in judo manuals, and his responce was, "That only holds in tournaments." Hearing this, I immediately got together with a friend who's spent a long time doing aikido, and we decided to do some basic sparring, to examine the correct timing for the locks. I wrote down my conclusions after this, and here they are:
Adrenaline makes one able to ignore the "fall to your knees" reflex when wrist locked
Joint lock attempts mean sacrificing your grip, and thus cannot be immediately followed up throws that require control of your opponent's torso
I can't figure out how to deal with limp arm defense without allowing throw opportunities
The focus on my hands makes it easy for me to lead him into throws
Joint locks punish bad judo grips

That last one is key. Waki gatame and most of the joint locks got way easier when I got lazy and held too low on his lapel, or held non-standard grips (like cross grips). Because of this, I suspect that the "5 second timer on non standard grips" rule is linked to the "no standing joint locks" rule in the spirit of giving less standing lock opportunities and taking less. I'd like to hear more about why standing locks are more dangerous than those in groundwork, as my impression at the time was just that judo was trying to differentiate itself from aikido.

Standing locks aren't illegal, and they're no more dangerous than groundwork if they're controlled.

What is illegal is applying a standing lock (or strangle, I believe) and then using that to throw your opponent. They're more dangerous because your opponent gets little opportunity to submit before any damage is done, as the video above clearly demonstrates (the wakigatame one, to clarify).

^^^^^^^^
Exactly

They are generally illegal because typically they will get cranked on and peoples arms will get broken in the heat of the moment. If you apply them in competition you will almost certainly get DQed because of this rule for safety. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is, just like flying scissors.

The "I can use standing armlocks to counter grips" argument is always pretty funny. It seems like it should work that way but it really doesn't. Try doing it against someone half-way competant and you'll see. You may catch them a time or two but most of the time you're going to end up getting launched because you're giving up your grip to try and catch the armlock. You don't have enough control of the arm standing to reliably put a joint lock on and lock it in. The opponent can rotate their arm when you start applying it then grab you and toss you since your hands are now focussed on the arm. The only exception to this would be waki-gatame since you use your body to take good control of the arm.

I don't know if I agree, Judobum, I find many relatively safe standing armlock opportunities. As a taller guy, in addition to waki gatame I often catch opponents in standing Ude Hishigi Te Gatame (http://judoinfo.com/images/ejc/class9.jpg)s after a hip fake if they try to lock their arm to prevent me from coming in, and you can turn your back more fully to them to apply deeper pressure. What do you think of ude garami as an opening into either an arm drag or a kimura?
I get Kannuki Gatame (http://web1.vattnet.com/judo/katamewaza/kannukigatame.gif)s a lot, though I'll agree these tend not to do anything but open you up to a footsweep unless you also hop into closed guard and commit both your arms to pulling your opponent's elbow.

The first three video's are of Hirata Sensei, he was one of the last remaining members of the Kosen Judo Community. Hirata was quite the competitor and technician on the Mat.

Some very impressive techniques.

Train Hard, Stay Safe,
Good Luck

For more Judo Newaza vids here is the Kosen judo series:

1. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=969229849663208456&q=kosen&total=223&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6595496112628984441

3. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6305344054685974151&q=kosen+3&total=16&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

4. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3590070947195249943&q=kosen+4&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

5.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5621968934430074657


I think two of these vids are the same but I can't be bothered to check (edit, I think 4 and 5 are the same). Tons of great sweeps, submission setups, etc.

Some things of note: In the first video around the end they show the inverted/reverse triangle from guard that renzo shows in a video on grapplemaster I believe. Also, in the 4th video they show the lockdown pretty clearly.

This is one of my favorite series of grappling vids that I watch. I learned a ton of **** from these videos. It's also amazing that these guys are like 60-70 and they are rolling. Pretty hardcore.

Standing joint locks are not illegal. Throwing with a joint lock is illegal. Nicholas Gill I believe won a match in the worlds or Olympics with a standing armlock. He used udegatame to beat an over hand grip. If you take them to the ground you must do so with control.

Using armlocks to break grips and setup throws is very possible. Check out in the video section of my myspace for Josh v. Z (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4805587) its not on the main page. http://myspace.com/ronindojo You will see me use an arm lock to set up a drop seionage. The throw should have been ippon but the refs sucked. Note about that video the guy was fighting up in weight class and was trashing everyone standing. We had fought before and I armbarred him. He bet me I couldn't throw him for Ippon, this is the reason I didn't do newaza. He is a freind and we had a lot of fun competing against each other over a couple of years.

Rules from the IJF

16. Entry into newazaThe contestants shall be able to change from the standing position to Newaza in the following cases but if the technique used is not continuous, the Referee shall order both contestants to resume the standing position:

a)
When a contestant, after obtaining some result by a throwing technique changes without interruption into Newaza and takes the offensive.
b)
When one of the contestants falls to the ground, following the unsuccessful application of a throwing technique the other may take advantage of his opponent's unbalanced position to take him to the ground.
c)
When one contestant obtains some considerable effect by applying a Shime-waza or Kansetsu-waza in the standing position and then changes without interruption to Newaza.
d)
When one contestant takes his opponent down into Newaza by the particularly skilful application of a movement which does not qualify as a throwing technique.
e)
In any other case where one contestant falls down or is about to fall down, not covered by the preceding sub-sections of this article, the other contestant may take advantage of his opponent's position to go into Newaza.When one contestant pulls his opponent down into Newaza not in accordance with Article 16 and his opponent does not take advantage of this to continue into Newaza, the Referee shall announce Mate, stop the contest and penalise with Shido the contestant who has infringed Article 27 (8). (See Article 27 Appendix, the 5th paragraph).
When one contestant pulls his opponent down into Newaza not in accordance with Article 16 and his opponent takes advantage of this to continue into Newaza, the contest shall be allowed to continue but the Referee shall penalise with Shido the contestant who has infringed Article 27 (8). (See Article 27 Appendix, the 5th paragraph).






HANSOKU-MAKE (Grave Infringements Group)
(b) Hansoku-make is given to any contestant who has committed a Grave Infringement (or who having been given three (3) Shidos, commits a further Slight Infringement):

(24)
To apply Kawazu-gake. (To throw the opponent by winding one leg around the opponent's leg, while facing more or less in the same direction as the opponent and falling backwards onto him).
(25)
To apply Kansetsu-waza anywhere other than to the elbow joint.
(26)
To lift off the Tatami the opponent who is lying on the Tatami and to drive him back onto the Tatami.
(27)
To reap the opponents supporting leg from the inside when the opponent is applying a technique such as Harai-goshi etc.
(28)
To disregard the Referee's instructions.
(29)
To make unnecessary calls, remarks or gestures derogatory to the opponent or Referee during the contest.
(30)
To make any action which may endanger or injure the opponent especially the opponent's neck or spinal vertebrae, or may be against the spirit of Judo.
(31)
To fall directly to the Tatami while applying or attempting to apply techniques such as Ude-hishigi-waki-gatame.
(32)
To "dive" head first, onto the Tatami by bending forward and downward while performing or attempting to perform techniques such as Uchimata, Harai-goshi, etc. or to fall directly backwards while performing or attempting to perform techniques such as Kata-guruma whether standing or kneeling.
(33)
To intentionally fall backwards when the other contestant is clinging to his back and when either contestant has control of the other's movement.
(34)
To wear a hard or metallic object (covered or not).