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Okay. And well, that. Some giant homoerotic space man would be enough to piss anyone off.

then you will have a ton of hairbrained 'equations' with a ton of "unknowns"

Square root of positive thinking times the sine of your dreams = happiness squared

then you will have a ton of hairbrained 'equations' with a ton of "unknowns"

I know but it will be lol just to make people type them out and attempt to explain them.

Orly?


You're doing OK so far . . . those are thoughts. Next?

Oops. If you took action, then you didn't create it by thinking about it. Thanks for coming out.

Action is often the result of thought, or thinking. Without thought there is no positve action to create.

Lets say you want to build your dream house, will it just appear if you think about it ? No.

But what if you thought about building your dream house and then took steps to acheive this. To find the right land, a builder, financing and so forth.

Now you have taken your thought, turned them into action and now, you have created something from that first initial thought, a house.

Yes, you have. You did NOT do it by sitting around thinking positively that you're going to get a house.

Again, action is not thought. Thought precedes action, action sometimes requires thought, but action is not thought.

I'm going to try this "thinking positively" stuff.

Let's see:

I am thinking "The Secret" positively sucks ass.

Well, whattaya know.

It fucking works.

Next time you meet someone that believes in The Secret, tell them that you are going to try and hard as you can to think positively about their positive thinking failing.

Yes, you have. You did NOT do it by sitting around thinking positively that you're going to get a house.

Again, action is not thought. Thought precedes action, action sometimes requires thought, but action is not thought.

You seem like a reasonable person, so then why do you not understand that you had to THINK ( thought ) TO TAKE ACTION. Action is the result of thought. It is that simple.

But the book/movie claims thought alone will do things for you. That's where your smug delusions fall apart.

Since thoughts are neurological processes, they only have the power to directly influence things that are susceptible to nerve impulses (muscles), hormones released by the brains (your own body's tissues), and highly sensitive instruments that can measure the electromagnetic field of the brain before the inverse square law reduces it to not merely insignificance, but also immeasurability (in the face of vastly greater distortion by other sources of electromagnetic waves).

Certainly, in here of all places, no one denies that muscle contractions can have measurable consequences.

Since thoughts are neurological processes, they only have the power to directly influence things that are susceptible to nerve impulses (muscles), hormones released by the brains (your own body's tissues), and highly sensitive instruments that can measure the electromagnetic field of the brain before the inverse square law reduces it to not merely insignificance, but also immeasurability (in the face of vastly greater distortion by other sources of electromagnetic waves).

Certainly, in here of all places, no one denies that muscle contractions can have measurable consequences.

Agreed. THAT IS WHAT I SAID , just not so pretty, lol. Thought translates into response or action.

If you agree to what I said, including the limitations I mentioned (and you approvingly cited), then logically you also agree that thought alone does not have any consequences (outside of the psychological), that positive thinking isn't going to do **** without positive action, that hypothetical brainwaves bouncing off the edges of the universe are total nonsense, and that, in general, the contents of The Secret as here presented are utter bullshit.

No one here ever disputed that positive thinking may have benefits on your attitude, but that's as far as it goes.

If you agree to what I said, including the limitations I mentioned (and you approvingly cited), then logically you also agree that thought alone does not have any consequences (outside of the psychological), that positive thinking isn't going to do **** without positive action, that hypothetical brainwaves bouncing off the edges of the universe are total nonsense, and that, in general, the contents of The Secret as here presented are utter bullshit.

No one here ever disputed that positive thinking may have benefits on your attitude, but that's as far as it goes.

Thought does do **** as you put it. Im sure someone as intelligent as you has seen many articles, reports and studies that show the damage that conditions like depression create.

Or when a placibo is used in place of the real drug yet still has the same effect because in the patients mind it was the correct drug. There is much to be said about the condition and status of the mind.

Yes, and I know it better than you suspect -- I have plenty of first-hand experience with selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors and have read various studies and articles to understand these things better (not, I hasten to add, on a very profound level: I like to think I'm a reasonably intelligent lay reader, but I sure as hell am no neurobiologist). However, these are physiological reactions. It should come as no surprise to anyone that your 'mental state' can have profound effects on your person -- it falls into the 'Duh' category since 'mental state' is an abstract representation of neurological state, and the nervous system controls the body. If 'thoughts' could not be so 'mediated', the brain would serve no purpose at all.

But this is not what we are talking about here. The interplay between mental stimuli and physiological response is an interesting topic, but it's not this thread's topic. This thread's topic is claims that thoughts have direct effects that are not mediated by the physiology -- chemical, bio-electric, etc. -- of the body housing the brain. These claims are bullshit. The Secret is bullshit.

Yes?

Yes, and I know it better than you suspect -- I have plenty of first-hand experience with selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors and have read various studies and articles to understand these things better (not, I hasten to add, on a very profound level: I like to think I'm a reasonably intelligent lay reader, but I sure as hell am no neurobiologist). However, these are physiological reactions. It should come as no surprise to anyone that your 'mental state' can have profound effects on your person -- it falls into the 'Duh' category since 'mental state' is an abstract representation of neurological state, and the nervous system controls the body. If 'thoughts' could not be so 'mediated', the brain would serve no purpose at all.

But this is not what we are talking about here. The interplay between mental stimuli and physiological response is an interesting topic, but it's not this thread's topic. This thread's topic is claims that thoughts have direct effects that are not mediated by the physiology -- chemical, bio-electric, etc. -- of the body housing the brain. These claims are bullshit. The Secret is bullshit.

Yes?

Holy Cow Petter, Im gonna have to spend about a half an hour trying to figure out what the hell you just said because Im like...oh like....ohhh kayyy . So I will post with you later, Peace as Always,

Sharkonis