If I'm not mistaken, that Valentino guy's arms are pumped up with some kind of gel. I don't remember, but I think I read that in a Bodybuilding Mag. Yeah, that's some scary stuff, man.

Yeah, and he ended up with a festering boil (staph, most likely) inside his biceps. The docs had to literally chop chunks off his biceps to remove the infection (and probably to prevent an amputation). I've seen some serious stupid **** (perhaps I'll make a PT thread about them), but nothing like Valentino's :eusa_doh:

I was judging both Valentino's intellect AND his wisdom.

Being inarticulate? Poor verbal communication.
Abusing 'roids then attempting unskilled surgery on self? Lack of survival sense.

Perhaps his verbal IQ isn't as high as some, but that doesn't make him stupid.

Yeah, and he ended up with a festering boil (staph, most likely) inside his biceps. The docs had to literally chop chunks off his biceps to remove the infection (and probably to prevent an amputation). I've seen some serious stupid **** (perhaps I'll make a PT thread about them), but nothing like Valentino's :eusa_doh:

Yea it was because he was using an unclean syringe repeatedly when he was pumping his sterioids.

http://drbenkim.com/articles-dairy.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-dairy.html) and does soy milk give you estrogen?

] does soy milk give you estrogen?

It contains phytooestrogens which can mimic eostrogen in your body. I think like anything else you realy have to kick the arse out of it to get a real neg, do your own research/studying make your own choice and don't just take some one on the internets word for it.

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/immune/2002-0521yellayietal.htm. * in this one a scientist injecte the phytooestrogen in to the mice!

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Diet/fs1.phyto.cfm
http://www.babyhopes.com/articles/soy.html
http://www.ecologos.org/phytoestrogens.htm

Ask Miss Dewey (http://www.msdewey.com/)

Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=9865241&ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum) is the abstract of a case report of a 77 year old nursing home resident who got 300,000 IU of D3 (7.5 mg) over the course of 6 days. For comparison, a typical dose to treat osteoporosis would be 400-800 IU daily, or 0.01-0.02 mg.

This patient survived, but it seems plausible that 2 mg would be a toxic dose for a dog.

But who cares? So you can overdose on it. So what? Again, you can overdose on water, should you not drink water?

Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=9865241&ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum) is the abstract of a case report of a 77 year old nursing home resident who got 300,000 IU of D3 (7.5 mg) over the course of 6 days. For comparison, a typical dose to treat osteoporosis would be 400-800 IU daily, or 0.01-0.02 mg.

This patient survived, but it seems plausible that 2 mg would be a toxic dose for a dog.

But who cares? So you can overdose on it. So what? Again, you can overdose on water, should you not drink water?

Was there even any threat or damage to the patient?

I think the argument is very simple:

Milk is one of the so-called "complete" foods. If you're allergic, see an allergy specialist.
Milk can be lactated by everything from cows to goats to sheep to horses to women.
Babies who are breastfed are better for it.

And lastly, if you don't like it, DON'T DRINK IT! I don't recall people being held down in vats of milk until oxygen debt makes them inhale.

Just you will run the risk of osteoporosis and related disorders.

Men who drink two or more glasses of milk daily are almost twice as likely to develop advanced prostate cancer as those who don't.

One study compared diet and cancer rates in 42 counties. It showed that milk and cheese consumption are strongly correlated to the incidence of testicular cancer among men ages 20 to 39.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.harvard.edu%2Fgazette%2F 2006%2F12.07%2F11-dairy.html&ei=HMVTR-riDYS6gwP-nNWkDA&usg=AFQjCNF609Ck6_T6zewxEsArrKIH34LSJw&sig2=BFEXQqorkoj0-CUcTDrFIg

"95% of black people are lactose intolerant."

WTF?

also:

"The Australian dairy industry is intentionally sending cows
afflicted with Johne's disease to the Middle East.



Why are the Australians doing this dastardly deed? Perhaps
they figure that those Arabs just don't know any better, so
why not? The desire for dollars betrays their act of
bioterrorism. This is a crime against mankind. Here's the
story as it apppeared in the Australian media:"

Lolz

One study compared diet and cancer rates in 42 counties. It showed that milk and cheese consumption are strongly correlated to the incidence of testicular cancer among men ages 20 to 39.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.harvard.edu%2Fgazette%2F 2006%2F12.07%2F11-dairy.html&ei=HMVTR-riDYS6gwP-nNWkDA&usg=AFQjCNF609Ck6_T6zewxEsArrKIH34LSJw&sig2=BFEXQqorkoj0-CUcTDrFIg

That's probably true of factory farmed milk, but it doesn't seem to imply that milk itself is dangerous, just the dumb way it's farmed at the moment.

I'm a vegetarian, so I drink milk. I prefer soy, mainly because I got used to the taste after drinking it for a while to help try and relieve the symptoms of a cold. (more dairy = more mucus, at least so I was told. Not claiming it's true, just that I tried it and it worked for me.) It sucks for coffee, though.

Being a "anti-corporate veg(etari)an activist douchebag" I'm sure I'm going to make lots of friends here :icon_roll. But that website is dumb from any perspective.

If a person is going to drink milk he Probably should do so in moderation and if possible get it from a small local organic dairy.
That said, there are much better sources for protein and calcium.

Heh, and here I have religious doctrine saying that one cannot develop the proper brain function of a human without drinking milk; if all else fails, I can pull the fundamentalist bullshit card and say God told us to drink milk.

Really though, I love milk and milk products, and while I agree with the move towards organic, the only reason I could ever see for being vegan is a moralistic protest against the way animals are treated on dairy farms.

Oh, and to the whole milk causes mucus thing - I've heard that too, but I've also heard drinking milk piping hot removes that (at least I don't get that thick aftertaste doing it that way), but I think hot milk is an acquired taste. I loved it at once, but most people I know think it's no good.

Well...

Milk back in the day, was most probably very good for you, aside from the high fat content. The answer being that small amounts of unadulterated milk is good for you, just like eggs.

However, modern methods of production mean that your milk is now full of nasty nasty hormones that play havoc with your body. I don't just mean zits either! Aside from that, we have it full of anti-biotics and thats hardly an amazing idea is it?

In short natural milk isn't too bad for you (its no wonder food mind!), but modern produced milk is nasty shite and aside from a dollop of fullfat in my tea, I avoid it.

But its your choice. Hell, I bet there are retards on here who think GM food is fine to eat! Just don't give it to your kids! plz.

oh, and you don't need milk to get calcium.. or anything else for that matter. Green leaf salads for example contain four times as much calcium as a glass of milk. w00t :occasion1