That's not 100% true. Scientific discoveries have been brought back from NDEs. http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence07.html

Errr... what? That's on a website about NDE's with some real bogus "evidence". For ****'s sake, the entire "evidence" is just an anecdote.

Odin Buddha God the great spirit allah zeus all higher powers maybe one in the same but represented by different people in different languages.

Technically, Buddha was a real person, and he never claimed to be a god, it's just that some religions believe he was a god while some people believe that he was just a teacher.

I believe he taught God how to play pool.

"Buddhism makes no promises but keeps them, Christianity makes a thousand promises and keeps none." - Nietzsche

Gonna Hand over to Mark Twain for this one:-

"The so-called Christian nations are the most enlightened and progressive...but in spite of their religion, not because of it. The Church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in childbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve. And every step in astronomy and geology ever taken has been opposed by bigotry and superstition. The Greeks surpassed us in artistic culture and in architecture five hundred years before Christian religion was born."

Lets not even get started on Intelligent Design....


You know I've yet to get acquainted with the works of Twain, yet those are my exact thoughts on the matter. As to his sentiments on the classical world...sigh it's something that constantly occupies my mind. Not just the art and literature but alot of the technology and mathematics they had...until recently we've hardly progressed at all.

"Buddhism makes no promises but keeps them, Christianity makes a thousand promises and keeps none." - Nietzsche

Your avatar, is that Socrates?

Your avatar, is that Socrates?

You know me, sir.

my favourite quote from a fellow athiest / martial artist is "I wish there was a god so someone could just go and kill the fucker and then we could all just get on with our lives"

unfortunately this is not possible, as you can't kill something that never existed. Yet with subtle blend of ingnorance and superstition you can make it live.

Recently in India there was a poor girl born that , while in the womb, amalgimated with her twin. Consequently she was born with i think 4 legs and 4 arms.

Predictably the local villagers started to rever her as a god.

unfortunatly for her the position of multi legged multi armed deity was already taken in India

better luck next life . sic

She ended up having surgery, donated to her, to remove the extra limbs. And let's be culturally sensitive here, she was looked upon by some as an embodiment of a goddess.

As opposed to a god.

Last I checked, she's doing quite well. That was, admittedly, a couple of days ago.

Aside from that, Deadbolt, What The **** Was Your Point?

Gonna Hand over to Mark Twain for this one:-

"The so-called Christian nations are the most enlightened and progressive...but in spite of their religion, not because of it. The Church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in childbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve. And every step in astronomy and geology ever taken has been opposed by bigotry and superstition. The Greeks surpassed us in artistic culture and in architecture five hundred years before Christian religion was born."

Lets not even get started on Intelligent Design....


And that is why I dislike ORGANIZED religion. No rational person will pretend that organized religion did not greatly inhibit scientific progress and back hideous injustices like the inquisition that I'm very sure the God I believe in did not support. The only form of religion I like or participate in is individual spirituality i.e. doing good for others is the only thing that really matters, maybe some private prayer or meditation if that's your thing and if not that's cool too etc. Let's be very clear on that. All organized religions have customs and restrictions that I find very silly and illogical. True faith woud have nothing to fear from science. If the Church of the middle ages was so damn sure God was exactly as they believed, they wouldn't worry that science might disprove it and go on persecuting the **** out of scientists.

Deadbolt- Go and read the 'Preacher' series by Garth Ennis!!!
I mean it dude... After the comment from your friend about God, you'll love it!!!

As for the girl born with multiple limbs, i think that out of all the things they could have done, worshiping her as a goddess followed by surgery was the best of all outcomes.

Better that than the reviling she could have recieved!

Kracker- First off, i appreciate your position on individual spirituality. But, I'm curious, we agree that the inquisition was a horrible, horrible thing.
But you state, that 'I'm very sure the God I believe in did not support.'*the inquisition*

Why did your God, who was in the position to do something about this atrocity, do nothing? He just sat back and let it happen. that doesn't strike me as very loving.

And please don't give me that crap about 'being able to sin freely/Free will defence' because it just doesn't wash! All-knowing and All-powerful means he could have done something about it without compromising the whole Free-will bit.

Hell, if you really want to split hairs about this. You have to ask yourself, why would a God that has created everything that was, is and will be, create the inquisition to do all that **** in the first place???

How do you know the inquisition didn't have t3h r34l religion and it's your one that's fake?

Kracker- First off, i appreciate your position on individual spirituality. But, I'm curious, we agree that the inquisition was a horrible, horrible thing.
But you state, that 'I'm very sure the God I believe in did not support.'*the inquisition*

Why did your God, who was in the position to do something about this atrocity, do nothing? He just sat back and let it happen. that doesn't strike me as very loving.

And please don't give me that crap about 'being able to sin freely/Free will defence' because it just doesn't wash! All-knowing and All-powerful means he could have done something about it without compromising the whole Free-will bit.

Hell, if you really want to split hairs about this. You have to ask yourself, why would a God that has created everything that was, is and will be, create the inquisition to do all that **** in the first place???

One of my biggest peeves is the way that when some minor occurance that could be explained a variety of other ways happens to someone they often take that as proof of Gods existance and love, and yet with all the other stuff that "God" decides to let happen?

It's as if they're saying that their BETTER than everyone else, in some obscene manner. I can't quite explain it, but it's a form of egotism.

Do you know what I mean? That they're singled out for special favour.

Juno's tits my posting has lessened in quality, I need practice. :S

I also believe there is a certain arrogance in religion, when people have the audacity to say they KNOW ****, without any plausible reasons why....

Aside from Kano, and Thor, there is no god. Too lazy to get deep on this subject but if Coda Scott isn't reason enough to hate religion then **** knows what is.