Try this instead:

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=249&t=4

Then why did Hitler have people dicking about down in India and Tibet trying to find the origins of his great Aryan civilisation if he was so convinced they came from Atlantis?

God hates black pple and Jews.

Then why did Hitler have people dicking about down in India and Tibet trying to find the origins of his great Aryan civilisation if he was so convinced they came from Atlantis?

Well, I can't explain exactly why Hitler did what he did, he was a nutjob. ;) But as far as I remember from reading their theories, the original Aryan man in ice had been unleashed and traveled to far north Europe, taking the Indo-European symbols like the Swastika with him. From there, the racially pure white habitated, until the effiminiate interbreeding with locals caused them to dilute their blood and engage in unmanly behaviors, like homosexuality. (This came from a guy named Rudbeck in the15th-century who said that Uppsala, Sweden was once the capital of Atlantis.)

Then they formed the Great Atlantean culture, which was destroyed by these effiminiate behaviors. The Atlanteans and Aryans being one and the same.

http://frenchpubagency.com/?fuseaction=title.main&tid=581

I can't read French, but according to Vidal-Naquet, Hitler and acolytes even gave Jesus Aryan/Atlantean roots to deny his Jewish and unclean status. Point being still that it's all about the creationist myth and this isn't part of any evolutionary theory. Evolution leads to genocide equals fallacy.

At this point, it needs to be pointed out that a lot of the stuff about the Thule society has status of urban legend and is mostly talked about on tinfoil hat websites with little to no historical fact to back it up. Also, Hitler wasn't a member.

One of the few decent sources on the topic is The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke which doe s fairly good job of detailing the magico-religious fringe around the time of Nazism's development with little sensationalism and fairly well checked facts.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that. Whoring himself for money as a favor to mutual friends is an equally credible possibility.

Discovery Institute is taking a strong part in the publicity for the film and Stein's own comments put him very clearly in the Intelligent Design camp.

Stein's own comments put him very clearly in the Intelligent Design camp.

As P&T would phrase it, bullshit.

Which comment in particular, that there is “very high likelihood” that Darwin was on to something?

Ben's laughing all the way to the bank with a swimsuit model.

Check his blog yourself.

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/blog/

A few quotes taken from his comments at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

The Bullshit my good man, is not upon me. Take some time, check the circumstance, check Stein's own history of activitsm and associations. This isn't some gag out of no where he's up to for a quick buck.

The bullshit is on you, because you don't understand the difference between basic theism and specific support for intelligent design.

Basic theism=god exists and set up the universe.

Intelligent design=god exists and I can prove it scientifically.

Ben Stein is smarter than you (or me, or probably anyone on this board). He is a former presidential speech writer. He never ever crosses that line even when asked questions specifically about it. The fact that he so clearly dances around the issue speaks volumes. You're just not listening.

HOG, you're free to your interpretation, despite it not matching with the facts.

The film, and Stein's own comments related to teleology and Intellegent Design, show pretty clearly where he stand and more specifically who he is supporting. There's no dancing going on at all.

As your your "appeal to authority of former position" to support his suposed intelligence, that's a rather obvious logical fallacy.

As your your "appeal to authority of former position" to support his suposed intelligence, that's a rather obvious logical fallacy.

There is no appeal to authority. The point is that Ben Stein is an expert, top in the world, 10th dan, worked for two presidents, question ducker. So when he clearly ducks a question, I'm gonna go ahead and assume it's on purpose.

There is a purpose to it. It's simply not the one you're assuming.

There is a purpose to it. It's simply not the one you're assuming.

Well, it's that or assume a lifelong secular jew has discovered christian fundamentalism.

I also don't assume he uses cleareyes or eats wild alaska salmon.

Intelligent Design =/= Christian fundamentalism. That is the key mistake that if so often made. In fact Jonathan Wells, one of the major "Front men" for the Discovery Institute's Intelligent Design PR campaign, is an adherent of Rev. Moon's Unification Church.

The goal is, as Stein himself outlines, a return of of a teleological orientation to scientific exploration and experimentation and to undo the effects of post-Cartesian and especially post-Enlightenment "scientific materialism."

Also where did you get the impression that Stein was a "secular," by which I'm assuming you mean non-practicing, Jew?

The goal is, as Stein himself outlines, a return of of a teleological orientation to scientific exploration and experimentation and to undo the effects of post-Cartesian and especially post-Enlightenment "scientific materialism."

Their goal is to bring back Medieval scholastic speculation about the true purpose of an acorn? Because that was definitely the high point of science, the pre-Cartesian, post-Aristotlean ad hoc era.


Ben Stein is smarter than you

Yes, and Rupert Sheldrake is smarter than any of us, and Watson of DNA fame is smarter than any of us, and David Irving is smarter than any of us, and Peter Duesberg is smarter than any of us, and Thomas Malthus was probably smarter than any of us, and Aristotle was probably a great deal smarter than any of us.....

And they've all been dead wrong about some very pressing issues. The truth veracity of a claim isn't measured by how smart someone is. It's more dangerous when smart people get deluded, as they have the capability to present incredibly well-constructed, if entirely false, evidence to support their belief system.

Worth linking at this point

Why Smart People Believe Weird Things by Michael Shermer
http://skeptically.org/logicalthreads/id15.html