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Ronin.74
4/23/2010 8:47pm,
Where are all the little chriping birds now?

Trying to find some way to explain away TA's obvious unwillingness to meet with anyone that has serious investigatory questions.

It will probably go something along the lines of, "He's a very busy man delivering God's message, of course he doesn't have time to meet with you. Besides he doesn't have to prove anything to you or anyone else!"

I truly hope that late comer Goliath does in fact get to ask him some questions in Mandarin or Cantonese, better yet video tape it some everyone can see the results.

PDA
4/26/2010 11:04am,
Well after a few transactions TA has stated that we will meet on June 14th at 12pm (Volcanos permitting).

Who knows if he will stick to it this time, Im certainly not holding my breath.

As TA says "Keep on Keeping on" and i sure will.

littleoldme
5/05/2010 3:16am,
I think it likely that he's spending his time on an intensive "learn to speak Cantonese" course.

If he keeps on like this he will probably have time to learn to speak Mandarin as well.

yeeu kui
5/07/2010 1:33pm,
This is a very interesting thread.
I read a fair bit of "Taming The Tiger" on googlebooks and I have to say I laughed so hard I nearly pissed myself.
WTF is a "long-snap tiger palm"?
He's obviously watched too many kung fu tv series and movies and the professionals/sweeney. He's what is reffered to on the miltary forums as a "walt".
Looking at the avanti ministries site some of the other geezers bios look total bollocks too.

BTW he won't have any scars on his arms from lifting a molten cauldron. That was made up for the Kung Fu tv series.

Dormiens
5/11/2010 11:26pm,
Alright, I am a Malaysian that just know that this guy will come to my friend's church(Yes, not my church cuz I am not officially a Christian, I just join my friend in his church's cellgroup and that's it) on May 17 and so that time I(and the whole cellgroup) will go to listen his talk.

I don't know, but it seems that God helps me(a non-Christian) more than that so-called Christian TA by guiding me to this thread. It's sad that my friends will foolishly believe in him(Well, no offense but my cellgroup are stubborn when it comes to God, they will always believe the talker more than me). I seriously feel like I could go up the stage and speak some Chinese and Cantonese to him and he fails to say anything back, I am going to dropkick him.

I've already went, it's at Life Chapel right. I encourage you to try to dropkick him, it might provoke some kungfu instincts that have supposedly been instilled in him since young. All this at your own risk though, lol.

fights4peace
5/18/2010 6:37pm,
"I don't know if it is the correct reference, but as far back as early Jewish lore there is said to be "A Little Angel" sitting on one of our shoulders and a little Demon on the other each whispering in our ears abot the Good & Bad responses to situations that arise in our every day lives.

It was a popular device in old Loony Tunes cartoons."



um, off topic, but I spent seven years in yeshivah, and i have never heard this. ever. that is solely a christian thing. what judaism believes in this issue doesnt belong here, and is very long and complicated.

It is Fake
5/18/2010 6:53pm,
"I don't know if it is the correct reference, but as far back as early Jewish lore there is said to be "A Little Angel" sitting on one of our shoulders and a little Demon on the other each whispering in our ears abot the Good & Bad responses to situations that arise in our every day lives.

It was a popular device in old Loony Tunes cartoons."



um, off topic, but I spent seven years in yeshivah, and i have never heard this. ever. that is solely a christian thing. what judaism believes in this issue doesnt belong here, and is very long and complicated.You know what is funny? You just discounted his "lore" then injected your own "lore" into Christianity.

This is a MABS thread. Find something else to harp on. As with most religions what he heard and what you heard can be totally different and not wrong.

Don't derail this thread into a religious debate.

fights4peace
5/18/2010 8:06pm,
You know what is funny? You just discounted his "lore" then injected your own "lore" into Christianity.

This is a MABS thread. Find something else to harp on. As with most religions what he heard and what you heard can be totally different and not wrong.

Don't derail this thread into a religious debate.

Okay, like I said I didn't want to get into it here, I also said that this isn't the place to get into it. I merely stated that it isn't a Jewish concept. That's all:qbluewack

Iscariot
5/19/2010 12:08am,
Just read 51 pages of this.

I expect him to cancel the meeting yet again. That's fine, however he's in the UK on the 17th, 18th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th of September, his own Avanti Ministries diary says so.

He'll be at Milton Keynes, High Wycombe and Bournemouth during these dates. I'm sure he'll be able to take an hour out of his hectic schedule to sit down in a pub and address all these points. Take two video cameras (in case one breaks) and two dictaphones (ditto) and establish before the meeting that these are to be present and running for the protection of both parties. No discrepancies can occur then.

Asriel's already offered his assistance, I'm offering mine. Looking over this thread there's some nice starting blocks for an article, The Guardian and Independent love stories like this, and I'd love to get myself a byline, I'll be watching how this progresses.

Mackan
5/19/2010 1:13am,
Just read 51 pages of this.

I expect him to cancel the meeting yet again. That's fine, however he's in the UK on the 17th, 18th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th of September, his own Avanti Ministries diary says so.

He'll be at Milton Keynes, High Wycombe and Bournemouth during these dates. I'm sure he'll be able to take an hour out of his hectic schedule to sit down in a pub and address all these points. Take two video cameras (in case one breaks) and two dictaphones (ditto) and establish before the meeting that these are to be present and running for the protection of both parties. No discrepancies can occur then.

Asriel's already offered his assistance, I'm offering mine. Looking over this thread there's some nice starting blocks for an article, The Guardian and Independent love stories like this, and I'd love to get myself a byline, I'll be watching how this progresses.

OK, this must be the best post, by far, for the last 20-or-so pages.

It would be really cool if you can check out the "prevented rape"-story that suppesedly happened in Sweden. If he claims it indeed happened here, check city and such as I can help out checking the police records.

That is one part of the story that doesn't check out.

Good luck!

It is Fake
5/19/2010 7:46am,
Just read 51 pages of this.

I expect him to cancel the meeting yet again. That's fine, however he's in the UK on the 17th, 18th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th of September, his own Avanti Ministries diary says so.

He'll be at Milton Keynes, High Wycombe and Bournemouth during these dates. I'm sure he'll be able to take an hour out of his hectic schedule to sit down in a pub and address all these points. Take two video cameras (in case one breaks) and two dictaphones (ditto) and establish before the meeting that these are to be present and running for the protection of both parties. No discrepancies can occur then.

Asriel's already offered his assistance, I'm offering mine. Looking over this thread there's some nice starting blocks for an article, The Guardian and Independent love stories like this, and I'd love to get myself a byline, I'll be watching how this progresses.The reason it wasn't written is he said he would meet.

Now, we don't expect people to rush especially if the travel but, this "ducking" will help the article because, people are making the effort to meet. The Volcanic activity makes it worse because, everything has been juggled and we know he has time. Hell you could get major revelations in 15 minutes if necessary. I've recieved some in less than 5.

PDA
5/19/2010 8:01am,
I was going to speak to people indiviually about assistance closer to the time.

Doesnt seam much point at present for reasons im sure everybody can see without my explaining.

PDA
6/10/2010 5:34am,
Tony has just confirmed our meeting for monday!

Chili Pepper
6/10/2010 1:11pm,
Tony has just confirmed our meeting for monday!

Kudos for your persistence.


(place your bets, ladies and gentlemen)

Concern
6/11/2010 2:26pm,
Grace & peace to you in the name of our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Further to your email I certainly got the sense that you are seemingly unaware of how it is full of false testimony, men's lies and unfair persecutions - all of which are spoken of in 1 Peter 2.

We only follow in the example of our Lord, and so I would like you to know that I harbour no bitter feelings towards you whatsoever. Should you be interested in asking respectful questions regarding the validity of my testimony, then I would be more than glad to have that conversation.

PS: Please feel free to view the following Avanti links:


Our latest Gospel Presentation: http://www.avantiministries.com/think.php
Avanti Overview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBJfb8cuzGI
2009 Ministry Overview: http://www.humyo.com/F/29801-2149555431
Avanti Website: http://www.avantiministries.com
Release Website: http://www.releaseconference.com

Keep on keeping on...

Tony Anthony
Evangelist

Avanti Ministries Ltd

Dear Tony,

I hope you are well. Thank you for your response.

I'm aware of how the spiritual airwaves can be full of deception etc. You are right. I'm remember how Brother Yun was slandered.

Thank you for being willing to answer my questions

I've studied the questions people want you to answer. A difficulty is that you don't seem to answer them. From memory I can list a few here. You will either then answer them or not. A lot of people seem very frustrated that while you say you are open to answer questions - you don't do that. I'll list some now. Perhaps you'd take the time to answer them? I'm open to be convinced - willing to be convinced if you will actually answer the honest questions that arise?.

Tony I believe your story that as a Christian Youth Worker you lied and hid the fact of having killed a lady by accident. Can you see how this shows a response of willingness to tell lies in a Christian context?

We are told to test all things. Your publisher and co author didn't test any facts - when people legitimately want to test what you say - you promise responses but, so far, no one gets a full response that actually answers legitimate questions. It's fair for you to expect people to ask you to show some facts and show that you are not lying in a Christian context? You think I seem unaware that Christian Leaders are lied about .... can you be unawere that Paul didn't cease for three years, with tears, to warn the Ephesian Elders to be on their guard because from among themselves wolves would come trying to gain a following? What's wrong with people asking legitimate questions?

For me Tony - you will either answer these or not. If you answer them fairly I'll be willing and able to correct anyone who challenges me about your story.

If you don't answer them I have to keep my wariness.

Pleaee don't give a vague catch all answer about having to change details to protect... if you do I will think you are being wily.

In no particular order:



Why do you say your name is changed from the one you used in China to protect your family from Chinese relatives when any relative could find you as your story is high profile and published?
Why has Wikipaedia removed your biography - they are quite objective?
Can you supply Wikipaedia with evidence so that they can treat your story with respect?
Why don't you answer your critics and publish the schedule of places you will be speaking?
Why haven't you kept the promise you gave your publisher to put a Q&A section on your website that answers all the questions?
Why do you keep putting off arranged dates to meet some of your most puzzled questioners?
Why does Companies House have two birthdates for you on their records - 1969 and 1971 with an occupation listed as Insurance broker?
How could you have been an underage profeesional Body Guard - what is the timeline?
Saudi Arabia had/has no Ambassodor to Cyprus - how is this explained?
It's not illegal to practice Kung Fu in Scaninavia - how is this explained?
If the organization you became Champion three times with was small and illegal and little known - why do you give the impression that you were a World Champion - isn't this a wrong impression?
I remember you saying your Grandfather put a rude sign around your neck and stood you in a back alley where you were attacked by many - from the time line of your life - you defeated this crowd of locals while still a child - maybe eleven - please explain?
Many wonder about the white tiger - according to experts they didn't/don't exist in South China - please explain?
You've offered a CD that proves your story - why is there no one from your past before Michael Wright on the CD and why doesn't it directly answer all the questions people are asking?
Why don't you show yourself able to speak whatever diallect of Chinese you spoke in - many would like you to prove you can speak in a Chinese dialect - why isn't such proof forthcoming, on CD or on your Q & A.
Caponey was convicted as a rapist a few years after you left prison - why is he described in your book as being a convicted rapist in prison with you?
People note the similarities with your story and the David Caradine opening sequences - with him passing tests by carrying burning liquid in a vessel with his forearms etc. Looking back I accepted your story of passing the tests while marvelling that it's humanly possible to do those things. Why don't you supply some proof that such tests were used and show clearly the burns marks you received?
Peoples' thorough research produces the fact that there were no systems of coloured belts in use in Kung Fu when you said you received belts. Research shows the dates belts were first used as later. Can you establish different?
Your journey by camel long distance through desert the first time you ever rode a camel is described as more out of a Hollywood movie than really possible? Can you explain in a way that makes it more real?
Someone claims that after travelling with you for six weeks in New Zealand you used his teaching notes. I heard you say they were your own - they impressed me and helped calm my misgivings at your pre conversion story. The person says you took them and when challenged told him you felt fine to use them as you'd already been thinking those thoughts before you read them. This man says his consolation is that his work is being used to build people up, but he is very unipressed with you. Is there another version of this or are you pretending to have written powerful teaching notes when you copied someone else's work?
Why don't you publicly reconcile with this guy - so you both have the same story?
Someone has discovered an Anthony Antoni was born in 1969 in North London to a Cypriot Mother. Why don't you provide some proof that your mother was Chinese?
It does seem convienient that you say you have had no contact with your parents for many years. It doesn't seem Christian Tony - where is blessing those that curse you - not staying away from them but going the extra mile and honouring your parents by at least sending gifts and visiting occassionally? It does seem convienient when people are wondering if you have a Chinese Mother - why not end the misgivings people have?
It seems very convienient to not use your real name, never see your parents. Why not provide some details that people can research and prove to themselves the truth of your story - name the school you attended as a young teenager so people can see the school records, show ANY proofs of your life before meeting Michael Wright?
You have said you were a Coach with a Kung Fu organization. No one can find any proof this organization existed or that you were a Coach. As you have mentioned this organization's name why didn't/don't you get someone who you taught, or someone from the organization to speak on your CD you made to prove the facts of your story?
- and why don't you put such proofs on the Q&A section as you said you would to your publisher - and as his letter to people puzzled about you promised you would?
This could be a sensitive question and I ask it respectfully. People suspect your blind Scandinavian girlfriend didn't exist. There will be a death certificate. People are so motivated to prove your story's truth - that they would welcome and go to the effort of checking such details. Many of your critics want to be reassured - many non Christians want to be reassured. Why not give some hard facts that can be proved?


Tony you just wrote this to me: 'Should you be interested in asking respectful questions regarding the validity of my testimony, then I would be more than glad to have that conversation.'

I believe the questions above are respectful. I'm open, and want, to believe you are genuine. Please respond to the questions above regarding the validity of your testimony. Can you understand that if you don't answer these specific questions there is no substance to your words about being more than glad to have this conversation - while if you do answer these questions many puzzled people will be relieved and non Christian Martial Arts specialists will have good reason to drop the barriers to the Good News that your story has raised.

The debate about your pre-Christian life is gathering momentum from what I saw. The expectation is that hard facts are going to emerge soon which will validate or disprove your testimony.

Please validate your testimony by answering the respectful questions above and respond to me. I would suggest you then publish the same answers on the Q&A section of your website and put an end to the building specualtion that is out there.

PDA
6/11/2010 2:53pm,
Wow, great questions. When did you send them?