I'm a new here. I am sure this will not be well recieved, but facts are facts. I am a fan of MMA, I have trained in Judo for several years, I wrestled in high school, I have flirted with am. boxing, and I hold a black belt in one of shoots of Kenpo/Kempo Karate. I have worked out with gentlemen trying to imitate the Dog Brothers and studied JKD through seminars. I have worked out a half dozen or so MMA gyms, but I have not fought MMA professionally.

After reading some of the comments here I have to ask, do you think the behavior of MMA fighters, which is rapidly coming on par with other pro athletes, is just another symptom of this ridiculous sense of entiltlement bestowed on pro & am athletes. As a father, with a son who wrestles and takes martial arts I am concerned not just with what I read in the news but with what I read here. Some people here seem to have no compunction with stooping to thuggish behavior to get what they want and some of you seem to admonish it!
http://www.ultimate-fighter.ca/ufcnews.php?id=654
http://www.loveufc.com/29/lee-murray-faces-rapid-extradition/
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Aug-14-Sat-2004/sports/24534514.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-roids071907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10265381
http://ufcmania.com/2007/07/21/video-bj-penn-talks-about-steroids-and-becoming-ufc-lightweight-champion/

These are just a few examples...I found many more in local newspapers and news sources.

BJ Penn and a few others stand up and say "**** you to roiders!" Nevertheless, for every BJ Penn there are 3 0r 4 Baroni's.

This place is about fraud in the Martial Arts correct. Well, isn't juicing one of the biggest frauds? Is a fighter that tough or is it his or her chemical help?

Juicing is wrong. MA is about more than fighting, it’s about respect, honor, integrity, etc. People who act like the news stories you linked should be ashamed of themselves.

:5dunce:

You mentioned Lee Murray...
Long before he was a UFC/MMA fighter, he was pretty well-known for not being shy of a fight.

I'm concerned not just as MA but as a father. My son is a huge fan of MMA and I see these guys acting like this and I think WTFH. I have to struggle with his seeing MMA fighters act like dicks and getting away with it.
Of course it's not just MMA, boxing, football, baseball, and basketball have similar problems and it is not limited to "just a few bad apples." I was working the door at a club in college and had to keep to division 1 football players out of a club because they were underage.

I got three stitches in my eye for doing my fucking job. And I tried to be nice and explain to them that they were underage and that there was nothing I could do. The bigger of the two doe popped me. One of them was VP of the university's fellowship of Christian athletes.
When the bar owner filed charges the university bailed them out and the coach of the team told me, "to watch my step." I took that as a threat, maybe I'm wrong but the majority of athletes are exalted like gods and are little more than thugs. IMHO

sounds like a typical football movie, with the cool, bad ass jocks running the show

shitty situation, I'm assuming u quit the job after that incident

You mentioned Lee Murray...
Long before he was a UFC/MMA fighter, he was pretty well-known for not being shy of a fight.


or robbing a bank, lol


Lee is one of the most badass motherfuckers alive

Yeah lol, Lee is awesome. There's a man who isn't content with his lot in life.

wake up guys, the world is filled with disonerable people. money and fame dont change you, it just exposes who you realy are

I have to agree with Lopan. People are notorious assholes, especially people we think of as heroes and role models. It is your responsibility as a father to explain to your kid why his favorite athlete is such a dick, cheater, dog fighter, drug user, wife-beater, etc. Better yet, teach him that his role models are people too and that people make mistakes, and when they make mistakes they have to suffer the consequences... though that last part is idealistic, some athletes these days are reaping what they sow, hopefully the trend will continue.

So has Lee Murray gone to trial yet?

Edit - Nevermind, apparently, he is still in Morocco avoiding extradition.

ad·mon·ish
1. To reprove gently but earnestly.
2. To counsel (another) against something to be avoided; caution.
3. To remind of something forgotten or disregarded, as an obligation or a responsibility.

The thing to do here would be to educate yourself and your son about the effects of steroids. Then, when you realize they're not harmful in reasonable doses, and necessary for most people just to keep up with TRAINING and stay HEALTHY at the professional level, you can STFU about this subject.

The thing to do here would be to educate yourself and your son about the effects of steroids. Then, when you realize they're not harmful in reasonable doses, and necessary for most people just to keep up with TRAINING and stay HEALTHY at the professional level, you can STFU about this subject.
Yeah, let us never speak of top athletes being/acting like assholes and still being admired like unique, spotless snowflakes...
I think the OP wasn't speaking about steroids only, you know...

I think he makes a great point some people are assholes with or without the cash. The money only brings to the limelight.

This looks like a job for....COUTURE!

ad·mon·ish
1. To reprove gently but earnestly.
2. To counsel (another) against something to be avoided; caution.
3. To remind of something forgotten or disregarded, as an obligation or a responsibility.

I amazed that people who spend most of their time arguing over rather insignificant **** on the net also have the time to be grammarians and to edit peoples posts.

Look up the definition of a life and see if you can scrounge one up.:nike: