<The pics are on a public site and are what, 4 or more years old, and probably not able to be used to identify your kids. I'll let a moderator determine whether that's the best idea though here (in other words mods, feel free if you think it's a good idea). I think they make a valuable point about the school. However, since they are being used in a sarcastic manner, I can understand objections.>

I'm not sure about this Dagon. To use one's children in such a public forum seems unprofessional to me. I can understand your wanting to defend yourself in this thread but I don't think your arguement is with his children. Just my opinion.

<The pics are on a public site and are what, 4 or more years old, and probably not able to be used to identify your kids. I'll let a moderator determine whether that's the best idea though here (in other words mods, feel free if you think it's a good idea). I think they make a valuable point about the school. However, since they are being used in a sarcastic manner, I can understand objections.>

I'm not sure about this Dagon. To use one's children in such a public forum seems unprofessional to me. I can understand your wanting to defend yourself in this thread but I don't think your arguement is with his children. Just my opinion.
The pictures were removed. I agree they shouldn't be used. The whole professional argument is kind of silly since, much of this site can be NSFW. This whole thread is unprofessional.

The pictures were removed. I agree they shouldn't be used. The whole professional argument is kind of silly since, much of this site can be NSFW. This whole thread is unprofessional.

fair enough.

Tom -

I'm going to assume that you have a relationship whereby you feel comfortable calling Sensei Dunn (not really a stretch on my part considering your frequent informal use of 'Gene').

'Gene' is his name. There are only so many times I'm going to type out 'Gene Dunn'. There are no issues in using a person's first name when referring to/addressing someone. If there were, one can only speculate as to why you chose to use 'Tom' to address me. You and I have no relationship - formal or informal - at all.

I will be contacting Gene soon.

'Gene' is his name. There are only so many times I'm going to type out 'Gene Dunn'. There are no issues in using a person's first name when referring to/addressing someone.

I will be contacting Gene soon.

Can't resist this small quote from "Mannersmith"

"Formal First ~ Just as it is always better to be overdressed than underdressed, so to should an individual's name default to their formal address. This means that when meeting someone new, you should address him or her by a title (such as Mr., Ms., or Dr.) and their last name. Once the individual has given you permission to call them by their first name, you may do so. If they do not grant you permission for a more casual name, you must continue to address them by their proper title. A rule of thumb for children is to address all women with "Ma'am" and all men with "Sir" until told to do otherwise."

There are no issues in using a person's first name when referring to/addressing someone. If there were, one can only speculate as to why you chose to use 'Tom' to address me. You and I have no relationship - formal or informal - at all.

I will be contacting Gene soon.


:) You're quite correct. Mr. Kagan would have been more appropriate.
I meant no offence by the comment that you quoted by the way.....I was simply attempting to justify the assumption being made.


I look forward to Sensei Dunn's response (whatever it may be).

Can't resist this small quote from "Mannersmith"

"Formal First ~ Just as it is always better to be overdressed than underdressed, so to should an individual's name default to their formal address. This means that when meeting someone new, you should address him or her by a title (such as Mr., Ms., or Dr.) and their last name. Once the individual has given you permission to call them by their first name, you may do so. If they do not grant you permission for a more casual name, you must continue to address them by their proper title. A rule of thumb for children is to address all women with "Ma'am" and all men with "Sir" until told to do otherwise."

I'm not a child. Neither is Gene Dunn. And, I certainly don't need a lecture in the etiquette of how to address someone from a person who didn't have the common courtesy of spelling Gene's last name correctly in the posts you whitewashed.

Can't resist this small quote from "Mannersmith"

"Formal First ~ Just as it is always better to be overdressed than underdressed, so to should an individual's name default to their formal address. This means that when meeting someone new, you should address him or her by a title (such as Mr., Ms., or Dr.) and their last name.



Then, I'll have to keep referring to you as Major Fucktard.

FFF that was actually funny.

Young Master Kagan,
Only the final line was directed at children. And I clearly know how to spell "Duhn" or "Donne" or Dunn.

Good Day Sir

And I clearly know how to spell "Duhn" or "Donne" or Dunn.

Then one can only speculate as to why you and goofus CHOSE to spell it incorrectly at first.

Lucky for me your buddy Dagon quoted me properly spelling Sensei Dunn's name. I am so glad that Dagon knows how to quote! :)




Quote:
Originally Posted by Genghis Bob
Knowing that Sensei Joe Hurtsellers, Hanshi Robert Bowles, Shihan Gene Dunn and Master Sonny Kim are satisfied with his credentials and his skills helps validate this feeling, but my assessment of Sifu Brown is not dependent on them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clutch30
I have seen him spar quite a bit and we have taken seminars from some fairly famous people that train with him (gene dunn etc.) and I just don't believe that Gene Dunn gives anybody a decent level of respect that hasn't been earned.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJoe
If Master Walker, Sensei Dunn or Sensei Hurtseller want to challenge him about his credentials, at least they have the experience to back it up.


Note that the first time the question about Brown's BJJ instructor was answered was in THIS THREAD. In the past he was only brought up as someone who could vouch for Brown. Here's another question that you guys refuse to answer: WHAT IS HIS RANK?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJoe
‘Sifu’ literally means teacher.

Wrong.

Lucky for me your buddy Dagon quoted me properly spelling Sensei Dunn's name. I am so glad that Dagon knows how to quote! :)


Goofus Lee sems to be the one who does not spell Gene Dunn's name correctly, so yes, in a way you are lucky you've been saved from your own duplicitous behavior of removing the contents of your previous posts.


Putting a title in front of a person's name does not bestow respect. In some cultures (like the southern Chinese from where the nebulous 'dog style' grappling supposedly comes from), an added layer of formality and politeness is actually one way to show disrespect to someone. 'Family style' martial arts teachers do not get hung up on titles or other artificial boundaries solely meant to put a level of xenophilous mystique surrounding what should be straightforward.

Putting a title in front of a person's name does not bestow respect. In some cultures (like the southern Chinese from where the nebulous 'dog style' grappling supposedly comes from), an added layer of formality and politeness is actually one way to show disrespect to someone. 'Family style' martial arts teachers do not get hung up on titles or other artificial boundaries solely meant to put a level of xenophilous mystique surrounding what should be straightforward.

Illustrious, Luminous Master Kagan,

Please cite your references for the above quoted comment. Informal format will sufficeth. I would like to read them. I have to get some sleep before work so please include several links that I can peruse at work tonight.

Regards

Illustrious, Luminous Master Kagan,

Please cite your references for the above quoted comment. Informal format will sufficeth. I would like to read them. I have to get some sleep before work so please include several links that I can peruse at work tonight.

Regards
*Looks at entire thread*

Kind of funny to be asking that when, none of you have helped with any information.

Please cite your references for the above quoted comment. Informal format will sufficeth. I would like to read them.

Someone who truly learned 'family style' MA from a 36th generation Shaolin Monk might be able to help you learn more about the caste system embedded into Chinese honorifics and the concept of 'face'. Do you know anyone like that?

Someone who truly learned 'family style' MA from a 36th generation Shaolin Monk might be able to help you learn more about the caste system embedded into Chinese honorifics and the concept of 'face'. Do you know anyone like that?



No.


They don't.