I know that many people on this forum don't think much of TMA.

But I was still wondering if there are any particular Traditional martial artists that you think can handle himself well against a MMA fighter despite his traditonal training under UFC 1 rules.

Personally, I think that:

Mas Oyama (despite the myths and criticisms),

Masahiko Kimura (judo),

Jon Bluming (Kyokushin/judo),

Chiyonofuji Mitsugu (sumo),

can either beat or give a really hard time to some of the top MMA fighters today, if they were to fight under UFC 1 rules.






Edited by - Sprite on September 18 2003 08:46:21

Edited by - Sprite on September 18 2003 09:16:34

A new can of worms. This is like 'what if Mike Tyson fought Jack Johnson or Joe Louis.'

I'm not getting into it. I know Mas Oyama was fierce and probably would have handled himself well. But for the average fighter today you need to have a more complete approach to fighting in the four ranges.

Even if Mas Oyama could beat Royce...that doesn't help ME in the street..Me only knowing Kyokushinkai is not enough. I and 99% of others are not Oyama.

A lot of us have respect for TMAs--they all have something to offer. What we typically don't like is the one dimension, rigid mindset against cross training or modifying technique for what is practical against tradition.

I have very little respect for TKD in the UFC for example but I have much respect for the kicking techniques and concentration of force in the strikes. TKD needs more in order to be practical...

This topic has been probably been beat down, stomped, and fondled to death already by the way...

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blankslate,

You're not really answering the question of this post.

If you don't want to get into this discussion, then don't.

I know this is a theoretical question.

But I just want to know what people think of some Traditional martial artists.

I wasn't asking for your views on how martial arts can help you on the streets or whether they are one-dimensional or not.

Ok, since you can't seem to handle it:


I know Mas Oyama was fierce and probably would have handled himself well.

re-read the post.

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I know that many people on this forum don't think much of TMA.

Wrong. We just generally don't like the bullshit pansy way a lot of schools train then call it realistic or even self-defense. That is my biggest gripe.


And you forget a certain Mr. Lee.......


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Comedy "UFC 1 would never have occured with those guys because Rorion couldn't have rigged the show for Royce" Option.

hehehe.

haha nice one

i would have liked to see Royce vs one of the sumos

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yeah, i'm sure there is a shitload of "TMA" who can successfully defend themselves against anybody at any time.


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I defer to Peedee's definition of what a "Traditional" Martial Art is, which involves EXTREME hardcore training and conditioning.

The commercialization of the "Traditional" arts, which has caused a decline in standards and an increase in Bullshido, is the problem, not the arts themselves.

I think that first UFC would have come down to Mas Oyama and Kimura. I think Oyama would have taken it and gotten the $60,000 check or whatever it was.

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Phrost is correct.


Add society's aversion to violence and actual sweat and the potion become diluted.

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I have a feeling that the promoter made sure that Royce didn't face the big sumo Emmanuel Yarborough in UFC 3.

I don't think that Royce, despite his bjj skills, could have grappled with a 600 lbs guy in his guard.

His opponent's weight would have simply crushed him.

And Pizdoff,

I left Bruce Lee out of the list intentionally.

Y'know how 'Yang style' Taiji is popularly supposed to be geared less toward fighting and more toward health? Well, the two sons of Yang Luchan--essentially the founder of the system--found the training so intense and excruciating that they ran away from home, and one of them committed suicide.



Edited by - Xuanlong Xian on September 18 2003 14:01:55

Yeah, and then Emmanuel Yarborough got run over by a truck named Keith Hackney. That was one of the all time best beat downs.

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Edited by - kismasher on September 18 2003 14:58:21

"I have a feeling that the promoter made sure that Royce didn't face the big sumo Emmanuel Yarborough in UFC 3."
Well, according to my limited knowledge, UFC IS a Gracie "invention."





"I left Bruce Lee out of the list intentionally."
ok i see, doesn't matter to me, not a BL fan




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