Alright, can someone here tell me exactly how these two sub-styles of kenpo differ? I'm looking for specific examples.

Actually Steve Spry lost a lot of weight after his bout with cancer.

Do you guys really want to know the difference?

Basically, and this is my best recollection from James Ibrao's stories, the Tracey's came along and trained only a ceartain level with Parker until they chose to go directly to Master (I can't remember his name). From that point (which was explained to me as a 2nd degree blackbelt) the Tracey system differs. They take a much more Chinese approach in their eddicate (spell check). They would also like to bring a bit more realistic truth to where kenpo actually came from if you want to believe that. Something to the degree of Kenpo tracing (no pun intended) coming from a Hung-gar lineage.

I personally was in the middle of that conflict as all my kenpo friends sold out, started wars and pointed fingers. James Ibrao spent a few years filling me with stories I could really care less about but out of respect listened to and actually quite enjoyed but soon forgot as my brain cells died.

PM Clyde he'll give you an opinion.

Alright, can someone here tell me exactly how these two sub-styles of kenpo differ? I'm looking for specific examples.

Do a search on youtube for kenpo forms and tracy kenpo forms. Compare long form 4 in Tracy kenpo to long form 4 in EPAK. The differences are subtle but apparent. The stances are slightly different. The differences really have to be illustrated. Tracy kenpo has like 700 techniques (with all of the variations) or something like that. EPAK has 156 base techniques plus extensions. Many of the EPAK techniques have Tracy Kenpo counterparts with different names. However, most of the techniques have slight differences in style. The angles of blocks can be different. The timing of a technique might be different. The targets that are struck might be slightly different. While the differences are subtle, they can be quite meaningful.

Tracy kenpo has some very old kung fu forms that it teaches at brown and black belt level that were eliminated in EPAK.

Parker eliminated them from EPAK...he stopped teaching them, whatever.

There are a couple of forms, as well as several techniques
that are not taught in Ed Parker American Kenpo any longer
because they have been shown to violate certain concepts
and principles that make the system what it is.


For example - Book Set (not a true 'set' by kenpo definition)
it was pulled from a kung fu book and put in the curriculum
before I was born. As for techniques - The Dancer, for a
rear 2 hand choke. The list goes on and on.


Hope it helps,,,

I have to say when I opened this thread I was VERY disappointed not to see any high flying mullet having asskicking video .

Anyone else ?

Eliminated or never present?

IIRC, they were modified Hung Gar forms Parker stapled to the system in order to have forms like a "real" martial art. Originally, there weren't any forms at all, but prearranged self-defense techniques.

hmm tuff but large diffrences ive studdyed both for quite a few years shaolin kenpo and american differ quite a bit, i mean we share somethings like a few combos like 5 swords
,sword of destruthion, but shoalin as in the name has the 5 animals american kenpo has a few forms short long ext ext , bacically kenpo was tested by thugs made up by thugs but thats what makes it so affective. if you think about it shoalin would win hands down , its not only my fav but we have the beter parts of american kenpo plus some crazy shoalin animal **** 2 so best of american and asian GG

hmm tuff but large diffrences ive studdyed both for quite a few years shaolin kenpo and american differ quite a bit, i mean we share somethings like a few combos like 5 swords
,sword of destruthion, but shoalin as in the name has the 5 animals american kenpo has a few forms short long ext ext , bacically kenpo was tested by thugs made up by thugs but thats what makes it so affective. if you think about it shoalin would win hands down , its not only my fav but we have the beter parts of american kenpo plus some crazy shoalin animal **** 2 so best of american and asian GG

Still talking dumbshit huh? First learn to type correctly. Second go **** yourself.

Oh boy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lbNGvvrSM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zpf1e4R5_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-LQetL_yaY

As you can see, Shaolin Kempo is simply chock full of "Hardcore Shaolin Killer Techniques".

ok i take kenpo but i just watch those videos and thats nothing of what i do shaolin kempo well i would try it but it does'nt look great to me i am sorry for being rude but ya it look like wus's and i dnt make fun but ya

This one is so funny I have to embed it; make sure you turn the sound up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lbNGvvrSM0

I'VE GOT THE POWER!!!:karated:

ok this video bring shame and whats with the head thing he in a gi not baggie pant's that go to he's knee's come on i know kenpo and these guy's could have done better ......they tried

The biggest difference between Parker & Tracy is the number of self-defense techniques.

Tracy kenpo has over 700, while Parker has 156. The two systems are very similar in motion and the reason for the large difference in the number of SD techs is that Tracys have every possible minor variation of motion immortalized as a technique.

Tracy kenpo is incorporating Shootfighting, ala Bart Vale, into their system to deal with grappling situations. More Parker people tend to think that "our system is based upon immutable principles of motion that can be applied horizontally, so we don't need to add to our system."

EPK tends to focus on ideas that can be adapted to various situations so they don't have to memorize 700+ techniques.

Both systems trace back to William Chow in Hawaii, hence the similarities.

hmm when i trained with the tracy they broke down techs into an ABCD. A is one or two moves B is a few more. and it would continue like that that is why there are so many and adapeting stuff is not bad well i am thinking of stuff like ground fighting. but i like ur info i will look in on it