The lockdown is my new favorite position. Make sure you have broken him down in half guard by extending your legs and removing his knee from the equation. Try getting the hands under the armpits then lift him up and push at the same time as you are lifting him with the legs. All the mutants in the club can't handle this so I know I am getting it right.

The whip-up takes some drilling. I couldn't get it either, until I got a guy bigger than me to try to flatten me out while I drilled it over and over.

Note: it's also easier the more you can stretch them out. If you barely have your lockdown and it's not very tight because they have their knee jammed into your butt, it's harder to do. Stretch them out, then go for the whip-up.

The whip-up takes some drilling. I couldn't get it either, until I got a guy bigger than me to try to flatten me out while I drilled it over and over.

Note: it's also easier the more you can stretch them out. If you barely have your lockdown and it's not very tight because they have their knee jammed into your butt, it's harder to do. Stretch them out, then go for the whip-up.

OK. So I can hit lockdown with stretching them out well enough they can't post. So I know I have that part.

Can you break down the motions for me in "going for the whip-up"? Pushing up with the hands on their chest towards your head I understand. But WTF do you do with your legs in which you have lockdown with? Somehow I get the picture I have to buck them towards my head and hip out to the side. But the pressure I have on them now is stretching out, which is towards my feet, not my head. Do I release that pressure while going for the whip-up? What?

Try getting the hands under the armpits then lift him up and push at the same time as you are lifting him with the legs.

Lift him up straight into the air, or towards your head? Same question with the legs. Lift him with the legs how? When I try this it goes from stretch out to stretch out plus lift leg in air. Which direction do you lift with your lockdown legs? Straight up and allow hands under armpits to move him towards your head? Or is there hip action and bucking towards your head too?

Thx for help. I need detail to affect the 280lb+ gorillas.

OK lets do the Whip Up.

1. Secure Lockdown. Outside leg over his leg then under yours and the inside leg under his leg. Stretch him out.

2. Get the under hooks. Pummel, cross face, or lick his nipple if you have to but get both hands inside.

3. Secure position. Stretch him out with the legs and squeeze him tight with the Gable grip.

4. Whip up. Release the grip and place your hands in his armpits. Lift your legs up off the mat and the push him straight up with the hands. NOW pull your knees to your chest and push him to the inside corner towards your head so you can switch to your side. See page 59 and reread the top description.


If he doesn't expect it and you totally destroy his base he will end up laying flat on his stomach and you can take his back. If he reacts to the move and gets the whizzer then do old school. If he grabs your head then do plan B.

4. Whip up. Release the grip and place your hands in his armpits. Lift your legs up off the mat and the push him straight up with the hands. NOW pull your knees to your chest and push him to the inside corner towards your head so you can switch to your side. See page 59 and reread the top description.


Sweetness. Elevate, THEN move towards head with BOTH arms and knees to chest.
I'll be drilling it. Thanks, jkartigue.

Double sweet, jkartigue. Except the licking the nipples part.

Eddie Bravo did a seminar, and someone posted it in a three part video on YouTube. I found these somewhat helpful.

Part 1:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sDAmwSYwtbA&mode=related&search=

Part 2:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGpkNH-0X6g

Part 3:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7L73to4h_Jg&mode=related&search=

I pretty much just watch those, whatever Bravo clips I can find, and I read the book (MtRG) alot. I drill the moves with people in my club, lots of them have the book and like it.

Totally agree with the post saying that you have to squeeze in rubber guard. If you give your opponent even an inch he'll push himself out, stack you, or pass the leg that's supposed to be pushing on his hip. Although there's ways to deal with these, you're in a much better position if you stabilize your rubber guard and work to jiu claw or spider web.

Another tip is to work on your flexibility - Bravo has those stretches in the beginning of his book, it's easy to just skip over them and hit the moves, but some of them, especially for rubber guard, require some degree of flexibility in your hips. Getting to Chill Dog for example, or trying to get the Invisible Collar. If you are flexible enough, you can remain squeezing and stuck to your opponent like glue while you move into the positions past New York, you won't have to create space due to bad flexibility and risk your opponent escaping.

Obviously not in the NY area, but that's the way my Jits instructor teaches us to do the triangle.

One thing to keep in mind about the Whip-Up is that it's an EXPLOSIVE move. Don't just lift the leg and try to push him off with your arms. You have to explode. That's one of the things I was getting wrong at first.

Update. I'm an idiot. The whip-up really is not that hard once you stop being an idiot.

Same Whip Up problem.

Same Whip Up problem continues for me.

Chingythingy, if you had a moment of illumination, please share it. More than you did in the last post....

Snarflegarbing yourself is not a sufficient explanation.

Same Whip Up problem continues for me.

Chingythingy, if you had a moment of illumination, please share it. More than you did in the last post....

Snarflegarbing yourself is not a sufficient explanation.

OK, going off of the jkartique 4 step description + my notes:

1. Secure Lockdown. Outside leg over his leg then under yours and the inside leg under his leg. Stretch him out.

NOTE: Can take some practice to snag this consistently. I start practicing this from flattened and cross-faced under half guard. Your outside leg over, your inside leg under his as you extend out stretches him out and removes one of his feet from his base.

2. Get the under hooks. Pummel, cross face, or lick his nipple if you have to but get both hands inside.

NOTE: Ewww. Don't do that. Bravo calls this "Jaws of Life". Press his face away until you can get your elbows in and get underhooks. Gable grip in back.

3. Secure position. Stretch him out with the legs and squeeze him tight with the Gable grip.

NOTE: If you stretch out your inside leg, you'll feel his base going away.

4. Whip up. Release the grip and place your hands in his armpits. Lift your legs up off the mat and the push him straight up with the hands. NOW pull your knees to your chest and push him to the inside corner towards your head so you can switch to your side. See page 59 and reread the top description.

NOTE: Where I got stuck before. From leg stretched out, raise both your legs up so it lifts his leg off the ground. Hands in armpits. You can actually lift your opponent off the ground from here if you have the right position (except for 290lb+ drooling tardo strength gorillas).
I go until I just am clearing them off the ground. At this point, EXPLODE pushing towards your head (and shoulder opposite leg locked). Kick your knees up to your chest, push in his armpits towards your head and off to the side. You come out under an armpit and are on your side down by his feet. From there, apply rest of Bravo's 1/2 guard game - Old School, Plan B, etc. You can also get to your knees easily from there.

HTH.

I've found it easier for me to lift people off and push them forward if I put my hands on their hip bones instead of their armpits. Dunno if that's just a personal foible or if other people might find it easier to pull it off that way too.

Just out of curiosity, why is it everyone in this thread recommends pushing the armpits or hips, but "mastering the rubber guard" says to push under his ribcage? Is this a body-type thing or what?

I prefer armpits too, myself, but wonder if there's some "right" way to do the ribcage push that I'm just not getting.

Hips pretty much won't work from there. Ribcage is how the book shows pictures, but if I'm crossfaced, I have to go with where I can get to, which often is armpits.

Also, now since I've got everybody at our school slapping on lockdowns in half guard, the bastards have conspired with our instructor to address it specifically. He's been teaching how to angle your trapped foot to get out of lockdown, how to protect against it going into half guard from the top, a modified brabo choke, and a couple other things to generally make life miserable. I currently have been getting lockdown and alternating real quick between a whip-up attempt and a twistback sweep.