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Sushi-Boy
4/07/2007 5:14pm,
Does anybody know if there are ANY Karate clubs in the UK that practice Koshiki karate?

i.e. Full contact fighting with super-safe protcive head/body armour or Bogu.

It is something I have always wanted to try, if only to make use of my shuto on a moving target.


Does anyone do Koshiki anywhere else in the world and can say if it is worthwhile method of full contact, as opposed to say knockdown kumite?

Plasma
4/07/2007 5:29pm,
Does anybody know if there are ANY Karate clubs in the UK that practice Koshiki karate?

i.e. Full contact fighting with super-safe protcive head/body armour or Bogu.

It is something I have always wanted to try, if only to make use of my shuto on a moving target.


Does anyone do Koshiki anywhere else in the world and can say if it is worthwhile method of full contact, as opposed to say knockdown kumite?


Wait, they use kendo style armour to do karate?



Why can't you use a Shuto on a person during regular sparring?

WorldWarCheese
4/07/2007 9:30pm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iizbs40-89g
This is a HL clip that does not accurately show how the people are generally allowed to keep bashing each other (which they are)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drVbE-nVBZA&mode=related&search=
Kids tournament, this clip is actually pretty cool as you get to see some real nice full-on kid smacking kid action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAR0SOuJTc
I just liked this clip, seemed okay contact level and such.

From what I can tell from the History and such Koshiki Karate was made by Masayuki Hisataka, a Shorinji Karate and Judo player (at the creation of Koshiki he was a 2nd -4th in either system and is now 4th and 5th in Judo and "Karate" respectively (it didn't say which karate).

Another account has him training in a sleu [sp?] of Okinawan Karate styles such as Kodaka ryu Kamite and Nijushiho. What IS known is he is the current head of Shorinjiryu Kenkokan Karate, an offshoot of Shorinji Kempo he made (as well as Koshiki) and both styles are defined by their use of the "bogu" pretective gear.

The Bogu consist of a TKD chestpad (that is slightly thicker it seems) and a Daido Juku Helmet that for some reason is made with "Bulletproof" plastic faceplates. As well as mandatory cup for males.

Notice:This gear is optional, but if you forgo wearing it both people must use gloves, shin and feet pads for the safety of their opponent.

Masayuki Hisataka was a strong believer in full contact karate which he showed by fighting in FC Karate Tournaments (unverified but I put it anyways. If you want to check it was the 1961&62 World Karate Opens and is implied the Kumite section) as well as Kempo Challenges.

Pros:
Kids: This is great. Lil' Tim and Jane get to smack each other senseless in a safe environment. I love it, if I get kids.... I'd have them do Judo, but I'm biased. Koshiki might be a close second I think, however.
Protection: You hit hard and don't stop 'till the round ends or someone falls.
From the protection: You don't wear any on your hands so open handed stuff is all go (a plus in my book) but you also have to have good hand strength and tech so they don't get hurt (realism?)
Some allow throws in Shiai. Me likey.

Cons:
Can't hit head full force
Emphasis of "Footwork" over blocking; thus you see a lot of bouncing around with arms at sides.
Chestpads: I mean, c'mon, you can learn to take a hit.
Not always allow takedowns.
The fact that EVERYONE in the art referring to their bogu call it "SUPER SAFE" WTF IS SUPER SAFE!?!?!

So, honestly it looks like a pretty okay art. It promotes full contact, has all the basic strikes and stuff in normal karate, protects kids and stuff.

Sushi-Boy
4/08/2007 12:01am,
Hi Ninjew!

I think WorldWarCheese answered everything I could have told you. In my Goju Dojo

Shuto knife hand strikes are not really allowed during free sparring, at least not to the

face/neck area that I believe they were designed for.

Hence I would love to have a go at "Koshiki" practice to go wild, with some extra safety.