Everyone,

the discussion is about slapping oneself to generate power, preferably one grounded in physics and what we know about human anatomy. Putting aside the LOLs a lot of the posters gratuituosly like to throw around, that's the matter at hand.

Can people, for the love of God, stick to that?????

If you (and by "you" I mean everybody reading this Godforsaken thread), if you believe in slapping oneself to generate power, explain why and explain its connection to what we know of physics and human anatomy.

If you don't believe it, explain it as well. I already said my piece on the subject. Everybody else should feel free to pick it apart.

I do apologize for my comment to meinmachine, feeling a bit grouchy then. I beleive we all have something to offer the martial arts world, and I also believe it's in the interpretation of the practitioner. The only way we develop new innovations and fighting techniques is to investigate, practice and perfect.

Everyone,

the discussion is about slapping oneself to generate power, preferably one grounded in physics and what we know about human anatomy. Putting aside the LOLs a lot of the posters gratuituosly like to throw around, that's the matter at hand.

Can people, for the love of God, stick to that?????

If you (and by "you" I mean everybody reading this Godforsaken thread), if you believe in slapping oneself to generate power, explain why and explain its connection to what we know of physics and human anatomy.

If you don't believe it, explain it as well. I already said my piece on the subject. Everybody else should feel free to pick it apart.

This is an explanation from Ron Chapel. He was one of the few Parker students who stayed with him until he died. He's focused largely on the body mechanics aspect of kenpo. No, we don't do slap checks in our system.

"Essentially the “Slap-Check” in most cases is actually a BAM, or Body Alignment Mechanism. The significance of touching the body in specific places at specific times is a part of the Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation (PNF) function of the autonomic nervous system.

It can greatly enhance human structural integrity, protect certain aspects of the body by engaging the Golgi Organ embedded in muscle function, and can have the opposite effect when used on an attacker in a dynamic circumstance, in conjunction with Muscle Reassignment and Misalignment applications.

However, its anatomical use is very specific, and if you are slapping yourself and have not been VERY specifically trained by someone knowledgeable as to when, where, and how, you can potentially damage yourself, or at the least make yourself more vulnerable to external impact. Most who do “slap-check” unfortunately just mimic someone else, or do what they think ‘feels right.”

The roots of these actions are inherent in the Chinese Mawk Gar, Splashing Hands, and the Five Animal Interpretations of Ark Yuey Wong as taught to Ed Parker. However Ed Parker never generally taught nor explained their use, and they are specifically excluded from all commercial versions of his teachings because of their complexity and dangerous consequences from misapplication. The omission created or necessitated the “positional check” to assign function to the other hand. In human anatomy, the body seeks symmetry, and therefore no portion of your body when moving should be ‘passive.’

The majority of those who study some form of Kenpo do not slap-check or BAM."

Frank Trejo beat the Thai champion in his hay day. Trejo was Kenpo. He KOd him quickly. The Thai champ was not laughing at him.
Thai champion of what?
What stadium in thailand? lumpinee?
what year?
any evidence to back this up?

any way we can collect all this frank trejo nuthugging posts in one thread?

his few videos on youtube don't look particularly impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POmKgKJB8yc

Thai champion of what?
What stadium in thailand? lumpinee?
what year?
any evidence to back this up?

any way we can collect all this frank trejo nuthugging posts in one thread?

his few videos on youtube don't look particularly impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POmKgKJB8yc

Come talk that **** to me in person. I make no bones about where I am. I am New Generation MA in Ormond Beach Florida. Go to a Frank Trejo seminar or come talk your **** to my face. Trejo has an impecible record and I am willing to back up what I say as I am the guy getting smacked in that video. GO **** YOURSELF OR COM TO FLA AND SAY IT TO MY FACE. At least say it to his. I have a bad neck, back, left shoulder and right knee. You'll need that to stand a chance asshole.

Aside from that there's Gene Labbell, Sonny Hughes, Al Thomas, Benny Urquides, Billy Blanks, Kieth Hirotobioshi(Kooke) and it was held in I believe Ratchadamnoen Stadium. I know he was the reining champ and Trejo was the firt non-Thai to beat a Thai. Talk **** to the man, only then will you have bragging rights. Fists talk bullshit walks.

Teh El Macho, I have tried to keep my cool. I have fought for years and been respectfull, but when assholes like this question a guy who has proven himself professionally time and time again and made men like Tex Cob CRY and I get called a nutthugger for training in videos like this where a little fag like this fucker would get KOd like a bitch, I have to draw the line. There were no punches pulled and this fagot Variance would have cried after strike one. I go5t hit harder playing than this fag did for real.
Teh El Macho, sorry if I'm off subject, but I took that as a direct challenge. I may be only, but I am no *****. What strip mall do you train at variance?

Missing part, an old man.

Missing part, an old man.

someone's awfully damn emotional.
Classical Internet Toughguy.
OMG. COME HERE AND SAY THAT.

you are nuthugging. every single thread you mention has trejo's name in one way or another as the d34dly.

I can't find a independent record of his wins.
so you want to point them to me?
His videos didn't look impressive that was my opinion. they looked the same as any other compliant videos I've seen.

I'm skeptical. that's my default point.

I didn't come to pick a fight. and I'm not certainly gonna travel anywhere to fight.
I'm in Mesquite, TX if you are really that hard on enough to want to fight me.
I train at southeast Asian academy of martial arts.

Arnis/Kali is my main style. with Thai Boxing, Judo and BJJ following (in rank of order of what I'm best at)

Right now you are the one who looks a fool.

I told you say it to my face or his. No emotion here. You're the one talking **** and not backing it up. Trejo travels the country. I'll keep you updated in case he comes your way. I mention Trejo due to his record. Sorry the internet is all you go by, but you could ask and number of reputable people out there such as Sonny Hughes, Benny Urquidez, Billy Blanks, Kieth (Cooke) Hirabayashi, Gene Labell or Cecil Peoples.

I use Frank Trejo because he's been there done that far more than me. I was fortunate enough to work with a true master and a real fighter who not just talks the talk, but has walked the walk for a lifetime. It's not being a "nuthugger" to realize someone else has better credentials than myself and I wouldn't be arrogant enough, or full of **** enough to pass off what I learned from him as my own. I qualify my statements. Current Video is cheap, there's not much video prior to VHS and even the 8mm of parker has deteriorated. Even early VHS was thousands of dollars and camcorders did not become publicly till the late 80s.

People who live off what they see on the internet or video are easily swayed. Me, I like to do the research myself and I have been willing to travel to learn to fight. It wasn't a simple hobby for me. I moved 3000 miles to live in an area that had the best all arts had to offer. I wasn't satisfied with living vicariously through others.

As far as, "COME HERE AND SAY THAT.", when I gave my differing opinion I was told that was the only way anyone would respect me here. If I wasn't willing to back it up, shut up. I believe you were among those and now you change your mind. You do your thing I'll do mine, but don't throw around insults and run away. I'm in no shape to fight but I wont back down to one.

I'm also sure I can come up with many other names if needed.

I changed my mind about backing it up?
Me being in a different geographical area doesn't amount to me "backing down"
if you traveled down here. Sure. I'll have a friendly fight with you. and I'll say all this to your face, in a calm polite manner.

This is about my questioning Frank Trejo's credentials just like I'd question any other individual I haven't heard of or who's skill I couldn't substantiate.
His videos don't appear to be much more than compliant drills (the ones on youtube i've seen) i dont have any other access to materials from him.

If that's talking ****.
If that puts sand in your vagina, tough.

How about leagues, competition, do you even know the title of the competition?
what ruleset it was in play?

I think its shameful to people to always vaguely reference "Oh Hey I beat a champion thai fighter back in the olden days" without even remembering his name, the ruleset or the tournament. Who was this "Thai champion" and what arena was he "champion of" there are like 5 arenas or leagues or something like that in Thailand.

as for your references.

Benny the Jet Urquidez? the same guy who had his own fights against thai fighters changed to disqualified/no-contest because they weren't american kickboxing rules. and had his trainer throw in the towel because he was getting pwn3d by knees?

not sure if I'd want to ask him about another american beating a thai fighter because he himself can't admit he lost.

I'm new and I'm going to throw myself in here. I will also admit I know Draygin, I fought with him in North Hollywood years ago. Nothing sanctioned, just friendly, usually, exchange, similar to what I see you guys get into, though there was no OFFICIAL MMA back then, we wanted to see what works. There was a rec.martial-arts forum that we did much the same as Bullshido. Back then I was into Thai Boxing and I called Draygin on being a liar because he claimed to train with Frank Trejo. Trejo was a legend in North Hollywood because he beat a Thai Champion. Frank Trejo never talks about the fight, but everyone else did.

Story I was told by my Thai Boxing instructor was, Trejo and some other Americans were in Lumpini Arena. They were there for an exhibition. Western rules due to the fragile nature of the American fighter. Trejo was up against "The Champ" is all my instructor ever said and I never thought it would come up in any real debate so I'm sorry I never got the fighter's name. Trejo was schooling the Thai fighter after round two. Round three the Thai fighter grabbs Trejo and starts trying to work the knees and elbows. Trying to keep it short, Trejo says if we do that I want the belt, thai boxer says OK bing bang boom a few knees and an upward elbow to the chin Thai guy out cold. They don't give Trejo the belt, shamed Thai fighter chases Trejo around Bangkok with a gun until their flight back to the states.

I heard that from my instructor at the time and a few other MT guys in the LA area and Don Wilson told a very similar story. What did Trejo say about it, "Well, everybody has a story." and laughed it off. The only other thing we got him to say was yeah I won in Thailand basically.

As for Draygin, I think he needs to chill, but I think he's still pissed because he had a bunch of good Video of himself, Trejo, Shamrock and some other cool guys and he lost most of his **** from storm attacks. Not clubs, Charlie, Francis and Jean. He lost almost everything in Hurricanes. He was going to try to put this stuff together because no one else was doing it back then.

Regardless of that, this is a Kenpo forum. Someone made a statement to the effect of, Thai Boxers find Kenpo laughable. Trejo is undoubtably in Kenpo and Kick boxing circles, a Legend. Draygin referred to such about as on subject as I think it could have been. Variance made fun of that and to me sounds to be talking ****. Observation.

Personally, I fought Draygin back in the early 90s and he kicked my ass several times. It never felt, "Slappy" to me. He also surprised the **** out of me with his grappling as I had heard Kenpo guys didn't do any. Draygin freely admits he trained almost exclusively with Trejo in Kenpo, therefore I don't think I can judge any other Kenpo based upon Draygin. Trejo is known for being constantly outside the box.

Anyway, I'm a newbie and you can blow it off due to the fact I respect Draygin. He frustrated the **** out of me back in the day, but I respect him. From what I see of your response to him Variance, I think you would more than likely respect him too. Just my two cents and from what I have seen here I get the feeling I'm going to have just made an ass of myself. Oh well, I do it all the time. I'm a bit of an asshole.

well spoken, nohomt. I study kenpo 5.0- lots of ground work, good clean hard thumping fun, it's home to me, but God knows I visit other schools and styles to round out. You deserve respect for putting it out there!

Welcome NOHOMT. Interesting stories.

What's your relationship with Draygin now?

I'm new and I'm going to throw myself in here. I will also admit I know Draygin, I fought with him in North Hollywood years ago. Nothing sanctioned, just friendly, usually, exchange, similar to what I see you guys get into, though there was no OFFICIAL MMA back then, we wanted to see what works. There was a rec.martial-arts forum that we did much the same as Bullshido. Back then I was into Thai Boxing and I called Draygin on being a liar because he claimed to train with Frank Trejo. Trejo was a legend in North Hollywood because he beat a Thai Champion. Frank Trejo never talks about the fight, but everyone else did.

Story I was told by my Thai Boxing instructor was, Trejo and some other Americans were in Lumpini Arena. They were there for an exhibition. Western rules due to the fragile nature of the American fighter. Trejo was up against "The Champ" is all my instructor ever said and I never thought it would come up in any real debate so I'm sorry I never got the fighter's name. Trejo was schooling the Thai fighter after round two. Round three the Thai fighter grabbs Trejo and starts trying to work the knees and elbows. Trying to keep it short, Trejo says if we do that I want the belt, thai boxer says OK bing bang boom a few knees and an upward elbow to the chin Thai guy out cold. They don't give Trejo the belt, shamed Thai fighter chases Trejo around Bangkok with a gun until their flight back to the states.

I heard that from my instructor at the time and a few other MT guys in the LA area and Don Wilson told a very similar story. What did Trejo say about it, "Well, everybody has a story." and laughed it off. The only other thing we got him to say was yeah I won in Thailand basically.

As for Draygin, I think he needs to chill, but I think he's still pissed because he had a bunch of good Video of himself, Trejo, Shamrock and some other cool guys and he lost most of his **** from storm attacks. Not clubs, Charlie, Francis and Jean. He lost almost everything in Hurricanes. He was going to try to put this stuff together because no one else was doing it back then.

Regardless of that, this is a Kenpo forum. Someone made a statement to the effect of, Thai Boxers find Kenpo laughable. Trejo is undoubtably in Kenpo and Kick boxing circles, a Legend. Draygin referred to such about as on subject as I think it could have been. Variance made fun of that and to me sounds to be talking ****. Observation.

Personally, I fought Draygin back in the early 90s and he kicked my ass several times. It never felt, "Slappy" to me. He also surprised the **** out of me with his grappling as I had heard Kenpo guys didn't do any. Draygin freely admits he trained almost exclusively with Trejo in Kenpo, therefore I don't think I can judge any other Kenpo based upon Draygin. Trejo is known for being constantly outside the box.

Anyway, I'm a newbie and you can blow it off due to the fact I respect Draygin. He frustrated the **** out of me back in the day, but I respect him. From what I see of your response to him Variance, I think you would more than likely respect him too. Just my two cents and from what I have seen here I get the feeling I'm going to have just made an ass of myself. Oh well, I do it all the time. I'm a bit of an asshole.

If draygin had composed this reply like this.
I would have respected him more.

Maybe it sounded like talking ****. but When you get "I've beat thai fighters in Thailand" from every TKD, Kenpo, HKD mcdojo around in texas

You get pretty damned skeptical of claims along those lines.

as for your feedback of me cherry picking. I didn't feel like getting into the other names because they spoke for themselves.

Don Wilson fought in thailand. he accepted his losses and didn't do what Benny did.
Gene Lebell is, well. Gene fucking lebell. He's the man and wears a pink Gi.
and so on.

See Draygin. was it so hard to provide detail like this individual did?