Hey, we can market a crappy product at least as well as mass-produced Chinese crap!!

American ke?po
Shaolin ke?po
Shaolin American ken?po (I **** you not)
ke?po karate-do
Ryukyu ke?po
Ke?po kobojutsu
Okinawan ke?po
Ke?po jujitsu
Ke?po kai
Shorinji Ke?po
Nippon ke?po
White tiger ke?po
Kiyojute kyu Ke?po

How many did I miss?

You missed you were ghey.

I think you have some dental floss in your teeth, Axelton...or is that one of Omega's pubes?

Sorry about the derail, nupe, but ke?po and related arts don't have the best reputation here. Mind you, they've mostly earned that bad reputation...

I have meet two instructor's in kajukenbo. Kajukenbo is a mix of judo, jujitsu, chinese boxing, kenpo and karate. It was started in 1950 or so. It may seem odd to have so many arts. The seifu around where I live is named steve durtain. The young brothers are two of his students.I work at walgreen's and do all of there pictures when they come in. One is the size of a house and the other looks like a black well dressed bruce lee. The big one has alot of skill at judo and jujitsu. While the other is fast as a race horse on meth. Both have skill and are good teachers. However kajukenbo is not really a traditional martial art.

Traditional: We prefer kata over sparring.

I think you have some dental floss in your teeth, Axelton...or is that one of Omega's pubes?

Sorry about the derail, nupe, but ke?po and related arts don't have the best reputation here. Mind you, they've mostly earned that bad reputation...

Actually I have the utmost respect for Kajukenbo, as opposed to most brands of Ke?po. Kaju depends on where you train and under who, but it is still an art that has a good number of quality schools that train ya right. I would PM Nuck Chorris, or Bishop for recommendations on where to train.

I woundn't say that is true for all traditional martial arts, but lets look at the art were this happens the most, karate. If you do nothing but kata then you lose something from your training, the feel of a combat. However if you do nothing but spar and you never train by yourself, you never learn from your on self reflection. Kata does teach you form. Without a certain form that has a scientific purpose you have nothing. First form, then precision, then power and speed come togather at the same time. If you have no base you can not stand.

I woundn't say that is true for all traditional martial arts, but lets look at the art were this happens the most, karate. If you do nothing but kata then you lose something from your training, the feel of a combat. However if you do nothing but spar and you never train by yourself, you never learn from your on self reflection. Kata does teach you form. Without a certain form that has a scientific purpose you have nothing. First form, then precision, then power and speed come togather at the same time. If you have no base you can not stand.

That's only true if the "kata" can be replicated under alive conditions. Even if that's so you don't need more than a few minutes on it. Most of what's called kata never transitions to alive conditions which would indicate that it probably can't.

KempoFist, I was explaining the ke?po jokes, not knocking kaju. That's it's own thing, not a related ke?po art like that short list I mentioned.

Moving this to the appropriate style forum.

Kajukenbo is traditional in the sense that it does have katas, belts, and a very strong family atmosphere. However, it is definitely not traditional in the "do what some guy 600 years ago did cause it worked for him sense." Bishop is a great resource for traditional Kajukenbo schools in your area. If you are interested in the Wun Hop Kuen Do branch, I would be the one you would want to talk to.

I've not heard of that, SifuJason - what's the difference?

I've not heard of that, SifuJason - what's the difference?

Wun Hop Kuen Do is a style (read branch) of Kajukenbo founded in 1969 by Al Dacascos with Sijo Emperado's blessing. It incorporated more kung fu and Filipino arts into Kaju, and codified some fighting theory as the "25 Technical Fighting Principles" so that practitioners can intelligently talk to each other. WHKD means "Combination Fist Art" in Cantonese, and the idea is that it is a system without a system. We use what ever works for the situation, and training is based around the idea of learning various skills (through combinations, drills, sparring, etc) that we can then adapt spontaneously in any situation we are in. It is also constantly evolving, as the world around us changes.

Wun Hop Kuen Do is a style (read branch) of Kajukenbo founded in 1969 by Al Dacascos with Sijo Emperado's blessing. It incorporated more kung fu and Filipino arts into Kaju, and codified some fighting theory as the "25 Technical Fighting Principles" so that practitioners can intelligently talk to each other. WHKD means "Combination Fist Art" in Cantonese, and the idea is that it is a system without a system. We use what ever works for the situation, and training is based around the idea of learning various skills (through combinations, drills, sparring, etc) that we can then adapt spontaneously in any situation we are in. It is also constantly evolving, as the world around us changes.

It also has a cooler sounding name than Kem/npo or Kajukenbo :)

It also has a cooler sounding name than Kem/npo or Kajukenbo :)

Indeed, but it is an advertising nightmare because it sounds too much like Kendo, and it's impossible for people to spell (and thus Google).

Yeah, my googling for One Hop Coo-in Do turned up 515 responses, almost all about hip-hop.

Isn't Dacascos the one who went to the Shaolin temple for a while? I seem to recall reading about him in an MA mag...

Yeah, my googling for One Hop Coo-in Do turned up 515 responses, almost all about hip-hop.

Isn't Dacascos the one who went to the Shaolin temple for a while? I seem to recall reading about him in an MA mag...

He's visited, but never stayed. He was part of a demo team there once IIRC. But he has been in MA mags a lot; their hall of fames, various cover articles, instructor of the year, etc.